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RZM

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62. What the hell?

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 10:27 PM

Jan 2012

First off, it could very well have still happened if the child were white and blonde. What if the identity they assumed was of a Swedish person? Even if it were a Colombian it still could have happened. There are blue-eyed blonde Colombians, as well as black Colombians.

Second, I don't think anybody on this thread is defending ICE for screwing up. I know I'm not. All I said was that the child's actions are part of the story here. The ultimate responsibility lies with ICE, but it's bizarre to act as if the child did not contribute to the situation by assuming another identity and sticking to that story.

Third, I find your accusation that I or anybody else on this thread would have a different opinion if the child were white incredibly insulting. Too bad you didn't call out anybody by name or I would have alerted on it.

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A closing thought on the matter of the 14 year old deported to Colombia . . . [View all] Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 OP

Absolutely jberryhill Jan 2012 #1

Need help, anyone still awake Scairp Jan 2012 #122

There are many wrongs in this world jberryhill Jan 2012 #123

No kidding. nt EFerrari Jan 2012 #2

Like it or not, the fact that she lied is a salient fact here. There's no way around it. RZM Jan 2012 #3

I disagree. She is a 14 year old US citizen. All else is secondary. Stinky The Clown Jan 2012 #4

"...and let the chruch say AMEN." Ecumenist Jan 2012 #18

Wait Wait ..... I'm having a "Crystal Gail Magnum" moment here FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #32

No it's not. She gave a emilyg Jan 2012 #86

She didn't give false fingerprints obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #96

the fingerprints told nothing. nothing came up. she lied to the judge roguevalley Jan 2012 #119

You use fingerprints obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #129

the name she gave did come up but the finger prints did not match ThomThom Jan 2012 #136

they took fingerprints and nothing came up. she lied to a judge who she roguevalley Jan 2012 #118

No, it isn't. It may be news to you, but teenagers lie. EFerrari Jan 2012 #5

Did I say that it absolves them of anything? RZM Jan 2012 #7

I would say it doesn't absolve them from ANY custodial care for anyone in their "care". Alameda Jan 2012 #8

Wow Scairp Jan 2012 #13

How am I throwing mud RZM Jan 2012 #14

I think a 14 year old versus a federal agency Cerridwen Jan 2012 #19

You are utterly WRONG Scairp Jan 2012 #29

At 14, that's at an age of reason treestar Jan 2012 #20

I'm pretty sure being deported to Columbia Cerridwen Jan 2012 #28

What about telling the truth about who you are? treestar Jan 2012 #41

You said she needed to be taught a lesson. Cerridwen Jan 2012 #44

False, I did not say that treestar Jan 2012 #77

Please Scairp Jan 2012 #34

All she had to do was say who she was treestar Jan 2012 #42

Um yes it is Scairp Jan 2012 #50

there actually is some responsibility assigned to juveniles treestar Jan 2012 #78

She didn't skip school for christssake Scairp Jan 2012 #85

The onus of both responsibility and consequence lies with the adult. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #98

She can't sign a contract obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #58

WTH? treestar Jan 2012 #80

Are you kidding? Scairp Jan 2012 #87

It's shocking you even ask this obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #95

Total bullshit Scairp Jan 2012 #38

Good post obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #52

Thank you n/t Scairp Jan 2012 #88

so do i noiretextatique Jan 2012 #109

i'd suggest ICE would've been more careful about a white child CreekDog Jan 2012 #53

See post #62 n/t RZM Jan 2012 #65

you're so upset that someone would DARE suggest this might be the result of racism CreekDog Jan 2012 #67

I don't think you get it RZM Jan 2012 #70

No, I was just pointing out the facts of the case CreekDog Jan 2012 #71

Allow me to quote you RZM Jan 2012 #72

I wondered if those who defend ICE would be saying something different if she were white CreekDog Jan 2012 #73

Ok here's an answer RZM Jan 2012 #74

Don't forget I was also pointing out what really upset you --the idea someone got called racist CreekDog Jan 2012 #75

You're not supposed to call other DUers racists RZM Jan 2012 #76

I did no such thing CreekDog Jan 2012 #79

I can show you racism Scairp Jan 2012 #115

It wouldn't have happened to a white girl obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #69

spot on! Marrah_G Jan 2012 #103

Same agency SixthSense Jan 2012 #6

Thank you, Stinky! obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #9

And THAT'S a true story pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #10

Short of barcoding, rfid chipping, mandatory photo id for everyone or a national Burge Jan 2012 #11

Um, that's why they take and CHECK fingerprints....No excuse whatsoever. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #16

What you said. neverforget Jan 2012 #21

Were her fingerprints (or those of the woman she claimed to be) on file? WillowTree Jan 2012 #26

The fact that the woman who's identity she took on was due to be deported Ecumenist Jan 2012 #33

No way, not credible --if they couldn't verify who she was, they could've compared it to CreekDog Jan 2012 #54

Other then she is 100% Responsible for what happened FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #12

They were punked by a 14 year old? Cerridwen Jan 2012 #22

"Experienced and educated adults couldn't handle a 14 year old" FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #31

"...she's not done playing people." Cerridwen Jan 2012 #35

3 words - "Crystal Gail Magnum" FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #40

Wow. Just wow. Cerridwen Jan 2012 #43

Nothing prejudice about it - just the facts FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #47

she's 14 noiretextatique Jan 2012 #110

Sometimes its best to use ignore and keep your sanity Marrah_G Jan 2012 #104

Truly disgusting. ceile Jan 2012 #108

A 14 year old who lies about her age and engages in sex with a 52 years old man is also 100% respons LanternWaste Jan 2012 #101

Amazingly her Mother seeks to Profit by several Lawsuits FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #102

seems rather irrelevant to the question at hand... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #113

I wonder when the the lawyers will be unleashed?? Ecumenist Jan 2012 #15

Hehe RZM Jan 2012 #49

glad you think it's funny CreekDog Jan 2012 #57

I bet you're absolutely right. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #63

I agree, but her lying about who she was treestar Jan 2012 #17

I think it shows ICE to be incompetent because neverforget Jan 2012 #23

Yeah. treestar Jan 2012 #25

She didn't "fake being an illegal alien." stranger81 Jan 2012 #90

And possibly a false name fed to her to say? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #97

What's even worse about this Texasgal Jan 2012 #24

What about the family faling her as well? RZM Jan 2012 #51

Obviously they have failed her. Texasgal Jan 2012 #56

I'd bet the farm RZM Jan 2012 #68

nice stereotype CreekDog Jan 2012 #91

That's a BIG leap Marrah_G Jan 2012 #105

Why do you think that? obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #106

Because she ran away and really didn't want to come back RZM Jan 2012 #107

I read a press account where her grandmother indicated that the girl was upset at the death of two Gormy Cuss Jan 2012 #134

UPDATE: Texas teen deported to Colombia could return soon--AP pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #27

What I'd like to know is Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #30

Well Art, you how all us "colored" people look alike. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #37

That doesn't really answer my questions Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #39

Don't know Scairp Jan 2012 #45

I'm only partially kidding. The world is VERY differnt for people like me than it is Ecumenist Jan 2012 #55

Most any middle school teacher could've sorted this one out on lunch duty. hunter Jan 2012 #36

And if it happened in 2006 instead of 2011, there would have been calls for Bush's impeachment. n/t 24601 Jan 2012 #46

she's a black, American child and some people are defending what happened to her CreekDog Jan 2012 #48

EXACTLY. That's what I was telling someone else earlier in the thread.... Ecumenist Jan 2012 #59

She can't speak Spanish either... think Jan 2012 #60

Here's the thing about that Scairp Jan 2012 #120

What the hell? RZM Jan 2012 #62

you're more upset that I suggested this was partly the result of prejudice... CreekDog Jan 2012 #64

Wrong. I'm irritated you suggested that people on this thread care more about white kids RZM Jan 2012 #66

+1000 Starry Messenger Jan 2012 #84

AWE COME ON!!! America doesn't have a history of doing stupid shit to mniorities... uponit7771 Jan 2012 #112

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2012 #61

Hey Stinky! Peter Daou tweeted this! Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #81

Bravo! Emphatic K&R. Someone's ass needs to be in a sling over this - n/t coalition_unwilling Jan 2012 #82

So just because she's 14... Quartermass Jan 2012 #83

No one said that obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #93

Actually that IS exactly what is being said. Quartermass Jan 2012 #116

Nope, no one said what you claimed obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #128

Then you guys should stop the hyperbole and recognize the fact that the girl Quartermass Jan 2012 #133

she should pay for whatever crime she committed noiretextatique Jan 2012 #111

Agree about there being no excuse for DHS/ICE. Something else that stood out for me suffragette Jan 2012 #89

I also was thinking along these lines obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #94

It looks like she had already been using that name in working as a DJ suffragette Jan 2012 #100

The girl lied, which, sorry Stinky, is part of the story. But... justiceischeap Jan 2012 #92

I'm still wanting to know how she even got basic Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #99

Exactly nt Taverner Jan 2012 #114

Question: Do blonde haired blue eyed people get deported as much as brown people? firehorse Jan 2012 #117

She told them she was Colombian. Edweird Jan 2012 #121

Her grandmother was a victim of ICE's actions too. boston bean Jan 2012 #127

FWIW, She is back in the US now n/t Tsiyu Jan 2012 #124

It'll be interesting to find out the whole story obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #131

Crazy people try to get themselves deported pretty regularly Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2012 #125

I agree that they acted hastily, BUT SoCalDem Jan 2012 #126

Best post of the day and I missed it. mrs_p Jan 2012 #130

So True! Justice wanted Jan 2012 #132

when the finger prints didn't match they should have call ThomThom Jan 2012 #135