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158. You said it better than I did, but that is exactly what is happening. Talk about being on

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 08:30 PM

Sep 2012

wrong side of history. The lack of civil rights for all people has been seriously delayed by those who insist on rationalizing every step backwards, which is what this is. History wouldn't have been very different if they weren't always there, trying to explain away why bigotry should be tolerated, all in a good cause. They are like road-blocks to progress. It's bad enough we always have to deal with the shameless bigots on the right, who don't even try to hide it, but we always have those on our side who are no less a deterrent to getting equality for all human beings.

We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends MLK

I guess he had to deal with the same 'why don't be quiet right now, there's an election coming up and you are very, very inconvenient at the moment' from his 'friends' also.

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Do y'all really have any idea how devastating it is for LGBT Democrats to see Cardinal Dolan [View all] Zorra Sep 2012 OP

I am shaking my head about that. Cleita Sep 2012 #1

Thank you, Cleita. Zorra Sep 2012 #2

The DNC IS sensitive Doctor_J Sep 2012 #8

Obama NEEDS the Pennsylvania & Ohio white male catholic votes if he can get any. _Liann_ Sep 2012 #51

And exactly how many PA and OH voters have demanded this? Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #74

Pandering to bigots in order to get elected. cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #97

Yep. Pandering to bigots to get elected npk Sep 2012 #146

'Pandering' implies promising or giving something for his cooperation. randome Sep 2012 #148

..... obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #214

Couldn't we get the "Nuns on the bus" to do the prayer?? n/t Rectangle Sep 2012 #65

That would have been better. n/t Cleita Sep 2012 #70

Our tent is big enough for bigots and racists...it always has been...but we don't support them!!! n nanabugg Sep 2012 #83

If he does speak out against LGBT people or LGBT rights, he should be booed. GodlessBiker Sep 2012 #3

Thus far, his vitriol gets him elevated in his organization and at the DNC.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #44

He is giving a prayer not a speech. former9thward Sep 2012 #55

"he prays daily that President Obama will work to limit marriage to unions of one man and one woman. Zorra Sep 2012 #67

Skip it. They're on a roll. randome Sep 2012 #68

What the hell does that mean? riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #177

Telling the ungrateful queers to sit down and shut the fuck up is a cherished DU tradition. QC Sep 2012 #190

Who is "they"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #216

He did that very thing in his prayer last night obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #215

If he does speak out against LGBT people or LGBT rights, he should be booed. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #75

His "prayer" DID speak out against LGBT and women's rights obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #213

You'd think Obama learned from the Rick Warren fiasco at the inauguration riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #4

I would have thought that too. I was amazed when I heard earlier he had been selected. n/t RKP5637 Sep 2012 #80

I shake my head at the necessity of a Christian prayer DefenseLawyer Sep 2012 #5

Yeah exactly treestar Sep 2012 #18

I'm with you on this one matt819 Sep 2012 #19

Indeed! nt Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #210

Without appeasing the gods we run the risk of a bad harvest 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #98

I'm a woman, so yes I do Warpy Sep 2012 #6

+1 nt laundry_queen Sep 2012 #112

Not to mention nuns!! n/t eridani Sep 2012 #179

You need to face the fact that the prez Doctor_J Sep 2012 #7

Get a grip. Obama is not a conservadem. He advocates for marriage equality. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #21

The DNC is doing the work of Willard dbackjon Sep 2012 #28

No the DNC is not, but you are doing the work of Willard. nt SunSeeker Sep 2012 #43

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION dbackjon Sep 2012 #59

I'm not married, and you need to chill demwing Sep 2012 #79

I didn't ask you, and no, not everyone is friendly to equality here at DU dbackjon Sep 2012 #135

and you are an extremely negative person demwing Sep 2012 #187

When you spend your life being told you are a pervert dbackjon Sep 2012 #191

You KNOW the Democratic Platform includes full support for Gay marriage demwing Sep 2012 #203

Direct your venom to Dolan, not me or the DNC. Sheesh. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #110

Dolan is another bigot allowed to be there because straight Democrats accept that and expect Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #119

So...hate the haters? Isn't that counter-productive? randome Sep 2012 #120

Yes, hate the haters dbackjon Sep 2012 #140

"Fight fire with fire" just ensures that everyone gets burned. randome Sep 2012 #145

What kind of thinking? dbackjon Sep 2012 #147

The Democratic platform says otherwise. randome Sep 2012 #150

While I was happy with that, it seems that the DNC always finds a way to rain on our parade dbackjon Sep 2012 #153

Can't argue with that. randome Sep 2012 #155

Dems, straight and gay, reject a LOT of Catholic teachings, as the Dem platform states. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #130

So you are ready to blame the gays if Obama loses? dbackjon Sep 2012 #138

If it makes you feel any better, he will be reminding hedgehog Sep 2012 #9

You could say... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #25

The guy puts the former in my former Catholicism. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #30

I beg to differ with your claim that Catholics are more supportive than other Christian traditions GObamaGO Sep 2012 #192

You are correct; I think in polls the UCC gets lumped in with "Protestants" in general! hedgehog Sep 2012 #195

Bishops and above (and I would venture to say some priests) GObamaGO Sep 2012 #198

Dolan is a miserable choice to give the benediction at MineralMan Sep 2012 #10

It's not "the" benediction, it's one blessing of several from religious leaders. pnwmom Sep 2012 #17

Neutralizing Republican speakers abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #33

Will they invite those guys who threw peanuts at the minorities as well? Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #47

Save it, bnw Doctor_J Sep 2012 #57

Maybe they should invite Wayne LaPierre too Doctor_J Sep 2012 #61

Let the Republicans have Dolan's endorsement, homophobes will vote for them anyways Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #77

Exactly. Honor a good, liberal, human rights advocating cleric by inviting her/him to pray. Zorra Sep 2012 #96

It is a really, really bad choice. Who's doing the vetting for these things? marmar Sep 2012 #11

Sigh leftynyc Sep 2012 #12

Don't want to insult the few Catholics who agree with him Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #20

He knows he can piss off the LGBT community and get away with it, get their votes and money. In kelly1mm Sep 2012 #29

Didn't he learn from 2010? Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #31

Do you have a source for that stat? Not challenging you, I just never heard that before. nt kelly1mm Sep 2012 #37

It was fairly widely reported at the time. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #100

So it's perfectly fine to insult the LGBT community, but not Catholics? Zorra Sep 2012 #42

That's so funny, upthread we are told that Catholics don't care for Dolan...that they all dig Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #49

I don't have to pick anything leftynyc Sep 2012 #185

none of the catholics I know would be offended, except those who are already voting for Romney fishwax Sep 2012 #52

as a straight person and former catholic i find your premise to be fucking insulting frylock Sep 2012 #117

Tough leftynyc Sep 2012 #184

fuck those thin-skinned shit lumps.. frylock Sep 2012 #204

What Catholics? Kerry? Biden? Sister Simone? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #218

No - the middle aged ones in WI, MI, PA, VA, IA, NH leftynyc Sep 2012 #225

In other words, the courage of your convictions are far outweighed by what Fox News would report LanternWaste Sep 2012 #228

Don't put words in my mouth leftynyc Sep 2012 #236

Even if he goes nowhere near the subject of GLBT civil rights, he is a terrible choice. cbayer Sep 2012 #13

We let torturers walk freely among us and let criminal banks run everything just1voice Sep 2012 #14

It makes me sick rbrnmw Sep 2012 #15

I can't stand Dolan but I'm glad he's going to be there doing his little blessing. pnwmom Sep 2012 #16

+10000000000000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SunSeeker Sep 2012 #22

It still sucks.... Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #23

Then why not invite one of the hundreds of liberal catholics? Doctor_J Sep 2012 #60

So, you don't care if the LGBT community is hurt, we are not worthy human beings anyway, in your Zorra Sep 2012 #63

This action neutered Dolan. pnwmom Sep 2012 #114

Except he wasn;t, he spewed anti gaya nd women rhetoric obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #219

I didn't listen to him drone on. Do you have a link to the objectionable quotes? pnwmom Sep 2012 #235

Here is a link to a good summary and a link is provided - DURHAM D Sep 2012 #237

Thank you! When I hear this part: pnwmom Sep 2012 #240

They could have found a more progressive Catholic. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #71

A better way to take the wind out of their sails, would have been to refuse to join sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #82

Yeah and there wasn't one other Catholic they could have used... SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #85

Couldn't they have found someone other than a bigot??????? bigwillq Sep 2012 #92

There are very few non-bigots in the ultra-religious camp. randome Sep 2012 #94

IMO, they could've found a better choice (nt) bigwillq Sep 2012 #95

There are plenty of non-bigots who are Catholics and who better represent the majority sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #137

Someone needs to find out before making assumptions. randome Sep 2012 #142

No, it makes it look like Democrats are afraid to stand up for their own principles. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #151

The number of speakers at the DNC who DO believe in equal rights far outnumber Dolan. randome Sep 2012 #154

Clearly you are just one of those who hate causing waves "its just a prayer"!! riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #178

Yeah, Bishop Gene Robinson comes to mind. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #108

They will not get a dime from me bigwillq Sep 2012 #127

I still donate to individual candidates... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #166

That's fine with me. bigwillq Sep 2012 #170

Any one of the Nuns on the Bus would have been... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #107

Sr. Simone Campbell has a much larger role, as an actual speaker. pnwmom Sep 2012 #115

Good. Still, Dolan should not be anywhere near the DNC... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #165

Dolan believes in social welfare , which is part of the platform. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #167

Then find a religious figure who believes in social welfare, LGBT equality, WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #168

There are several leaders giving blessings, and I'm sure they include pnwmom Sep 2012 #171

My specs are the Democratic Party's specs, WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #173

I have to admit I do not and never will. Rex Sep 2012 #24

They have to stop doing this crap wryter2000 Sep 2012 #26

She would be great eridani Sep 2012 #180

No kidding? wryter2000 Sep 2012 #206

I'm going to have to go about re-establishing those social connections-- eridani Sep 2012 #211

As a former catholic (if I even CAN be), of course HockeyMom Sep 2012 #27

It bugs the hell out of me Aerows Sep 2012 #32

I totally get it. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #34

All of us are with you on this Zorra unionthug Sep 2012 #35

Thanks, unionthug, and welcome to DU! Zorra Sep 2012 #66

Dolan member of 3 organized crime sex rape-gangs with 180 known felony offender close associates _Liann_ Sep 2012 #36

He's also complaining about Obama's "war on Religion" and suing Obamacare over birth control. _Liann_ Sep 2012 #38

And he loses on all of those. And everyone knows it. randome Sep 2012 #69

Is NOM�s Brian Brown Standing With Cardinal Dolan Against Church Child Rape Victims? Raster Sep 2012 #194

GOP is the RAPE-Party: RepublicansForRape.org _Liann_ Sep 2012 #205

CNN article okieinpain Sep 2012 #39

WTF?!?!? Sick, sick, sick, sick!!!!! citizen blues Sep 2012 #40

Aw yes let's find as many ways as possible to divide us. zeemike Sep 2012 #41

Politicians are good at it. Can't let us discuss our common interests leftstreet Sep 2012 #45

It's the folks who put the gay-bashing priest on the bill that are dividing us Doctor_J Sep 2012 #58

You mean the Catholic democrats?...like Biden? zeemike Sep 2012 #118

Why choose one who is outspokenly anti-gay and anti-poor? Doctor_J Sep 2012 #123

Well then go ahead don;t show up...that will show them. zeemike Sep 2012 #169

Oh, bullshit. Trivializing this by implying that I posted this to divide Democrats is juvenile. Zorra Sep 2012 #88

No I am sure you did not post it for that reason. zeemike Sep 2012 #113

Do you think we should also have various 'thoughts on the subject Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #129

Yes. The hypocrisy of this rampant double standard is absolutely maddening. Some individuals Zorra Sep 2012 #159

What basic human rights did that bishop deny you? zeemike Sep 2012 #163

It should be devasting for ANY Democrat to see it leftstreet Sep 2012 #46

I agree -- I HATE it. Dolan is a vile POS, period. The only thing Dems should do with him is MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #48

Shameful that we let any enemy of human rights speak at the convention. jobycom Sep 2012 #50

Yes, I have the same idea LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #53

I hear you, Zorra. It's disgraceful. fishwax Sep 2012 #54

Dolan will be at the convention? Renew Deal Sep 2012 #56

K&R. nt Poll_Blind Sep 2012 #62

Another liar, another ignorant hate monger. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #64

Yeah and Colbert loves O'Reilly too SomethingFishy Sep 2012 #81

Yes, I do 'fucking realize'. Are you aware of Steve's off camera doings this month? Of course not. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #109

I thought surely this was Onionesque, but nooooooooo..... Raster Sep 2012 #196

I note your silence when faced with what Stevie does for a buck on the side.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #161

Just like Donnie McClurkin singing at Obama campaign stops in 2008.... WeRQ4U Sep 2012 #72

and a slap in the face to unions it's being held in a right to work state in a non-union hotel leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #73

self d'lete Bucky Sep 2012 #76

I agree with everything you said. Thanks for saying what many of us have been thinking. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #78

Dolan did the benediction at the RNC and there was a big flap about taking sides. Zen Democrat Sep 2012 #84

Zorra, I am a straight man... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #86

Dolan and his ilk are LOSING. Big time. randome Sep 2012 #87

We don't want him on our side, bigots do not belong anywhere near the Democratic Party Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #99

I doubt Obama would do this just to piss off people. randome Sep 2012 #101

I can't stop him from praying in church but I sure as hell ain't going to attend his church Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #102

I can't argue with your position. I see it all too clearly. randome Sep 2012 #103

The Obama campaign is usually very smart, but they do screw up sometimes Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #105

K and R bigwillq Sep 2012 #89

I am extremely upset that this was done. stevenleser Sep 2012 #90

k&r Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #91

It does hurt. Alduin Sep 2012 #93

Rec! progressoid Sep 2012 #104

Why not ask someone from the KKK to give the benediction? nichomachus Sep 2012 #106

there was`t a liberal catholic priest? madrchsod Sep 2012 #111

And Durbin was on FOX saying "Democrats are not godless!" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #116

I'm always relieved when I remember that DU is not real life. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #121

The greatest strength of the Democratic Party has been its willingness to pay attention sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #132

People just like you told Martin Luther King and the black community to STFU back in the 50's Zorra Sep 2012 #139

You said it better than I did, but that is exactly what is happening. Talk about being on sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #158

YOU KNOW IT, ZORRA Skittles Sep 2012 #182

Gay people are a part of all those other groups you list. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #202

+1 treestar Sep 2012 #222

Dump the chump. JohnnyLib2 Sep 2012 #122

Thank you all so very much your sincere empathy and support. Zorra Sep 2012 #124

It might do some good to find out why this decision was made in the first place. randome Sep 2012 #126

As a former NY catholic, HockeyMom Sep 2012 #125

The Democratic party has made it very clear by their latform. Dolan is irrelevent still_one Sep 2012 #128

A passive-aggressive coup! randome Sep 2012 #131

didn't think of it that way but that is brillant still_one Sep 2012 #144

A few of us do. Iggo Sep 2012 #133

Square. Peg. Round. Hole. ThatsMyBarack Sep 2012 #134

Why the hell does a political event require a "closing prayer" anyway? RedCappedBandit Sep 2012 #136

Somebody really screwed up Omaha Steve Sep 2012 #141

Kick! sarcasmo Sep 2012 #143

I think they had a Greek Orthodox Priest do the Invocation.... KoKo Sep 2012 #149

It's very complicated. I don't like Dolan myself but remember gays aren't the only people Obama southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #152

Jared's speaking now librarylu Sep 2012 #156

Every one on DU would be horrified if a KKK type xchrom Sep 2012 #157

It is shameless pandering to mythical "Moderate Independents". Odin2005 Sep 2012 #160

Definitely disappointing. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #162

Let's get someone else! ThatsMyBarack Sep 2012 #164

It's a pathetic choice, Zorra. It's great to see so many DUers stepping up and echoing bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #172

You really think the majority of LGBT Dems care about this? SpartanDem Sep 2012 #174

I don't know... JoeyT Sep 2012 #175

I thought that maybe they would have heard us after the innauguration Marrah_G Sep 2012 #176

My view on this particular prayer is different than the inaugural prayer. Ms. Toad Sep 2012 #181

K&R Jamastiene Sep 2012 #183

More Obama appeasement. Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #186

'08 redeux pecwae Sep 2012 #188

kick QC Sep 2012 #189

K&R...I don't understand their thinking on this except pandering and a sticking in the eye.. KoKo Sep 2012 #193

Just one more slap in the face to the LGBT community. AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #197

Clint Eastwood being pro-choice, and pro Marriage equality probably Bluerthanblue Sep 2012 #199

And Dolan will probably do the same thing to Obama that Eastwood did to Romney. jobycom Sep 2012 #209

Why isn't there am outspoken racist speaking? The Link Sep 2012 #200

Agree but we need Catholic votes. Dannyteague Sep 2012 #201

So why not invite the KKK, and get more Southern white votes. jobycom Sep 2012 #208

There are plenty of ordained RC clergy that are not publicly... Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #233

Pride at Work is passing along the concerns LGBT have on this! Omaha Steve Sep 2012 #207

Recommended and kicked. William769 Sep 2012 #212

Well now, don't you feel silly Capt. Obvious Sep 2012 #217

Yep, a disgusting end to an otherwise glorious event. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2012 #221

A very divisive and upsetting end to a glorious week obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #223

Thank God Dolan didn't show up at the Republican convention... hunter Sep 2012 #220

He was at the RNC obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #224

Ugh. hunter Sep 2012 #227

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #226

"I know you guys are an integral part of this party now, but..." yardwork Sep 2012 #238

I said Navl Sep 2012 #241

" If they tried to please everybody all the time they would end up chasing their tails DURHAM D Sep 2012 #239

Question: Do you believe we can beat Vatican money, Mormon money DevonRex Sep 2012 #229

yes bigtree Sep 2012 #230

I'm neither gay nor a Democrat Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #231

Makes me sick to see ANY catholic official honored... polichick Sep 2012 #232

Absolutely right dogday Sep 2012 #244

Political expediency is one thing LanternWaste Sep 2012 #234

Reality escapes you. bluestate10 Sep 2012 #242

I'm a gay Democrat and an atheist. And I'm not devastated at all. Bolo Boffin Sep 2012 #243