Free traders must break down and admit, Globalization has done FAR more harm than good.

[Zalatix]

40. Let's play the pampango game of repeating polls that have no substantiation in real life.

You claim that more Republicans than Democrats oppose offshoring. Yet I guarantee you that everywhere you go, and not just here, you find little support AMONG WORKING CLASS PEOPLE, regardless.

So, essentially, your argument isn't with me, it's with all of working class America, who by and large wish offshoring would go away... along with those who support it. *hint*

Also, Republicans are not the only ones who want to withdraw from the WTO. Leftists despise the WTO, too, especially because of the fact that they've struck down sensible environmental and animal protection laws. You know this. But you are too emotionally invested in the system that rips off American workers to admit it.

As for punitive tariffs... you do realize that we are running a monster non-oil trade deficit, right? If we embargo the nations that have punitive tariffs against us, we put a serious end to the flight of jobs out of the country. Why? Because we kill the trade deficit, IMMEDIATELY. No trade deficit means no jobs leaving the country. You know this. But you are too emotionally invested in the system that rips off American workers to admit it.

"And our trade deficit with 'free trade' countries is practically nonexistent. At what point do you recognize that?" You mean like Mexico and Canada? They're free trade nations. NAFTA, anyone? We're running deficits with both.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html
Trade in Goods with Canada:
2012: -17,418.3 (so far)
2011: -34,456.9
2010: -28,542.5

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2010.html
Trade in Goods with Mexico:
2012: -33,923.4 (so far)
2011: -64,486.9
2010: -66,434.9

"And our trade deficit with 'free trade' countries is practically nonexistent. At what point do you recognize that?" Really, now? Let's look at our balance of trade with Europe, shall we?

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0003.html
Trade in Goods with European Union:
2012: -51,866.3
2011: -99,881.0
2011: -79,611.5

Now you can brag to your friends that your "our trade deficit with 'free trade' countries is practically nonexistent" argument has been DISPELLED and you've learned something about trade.

Germany, Sweden and many other progressive countries have very strong unions and trade more than the US does. At what point do you recognize that? (And no I have not seen Germany's exploding trade deficit, have you?)
Germany has quite a few protectionist policies. And they're getting their asses kicked by China over solar panels.

How can you be so wrong so often? Your claims about us not running a deficit with 'free trade' nations was particularly embarrassing. I'm sure, of course, that you won't admit being wrong there, even though the US Census Dept. showed you that you were wrong.


And now you understand why low tariffs are killing America, and why your arguments run contrary to the very survival interests of America's working class.

I am sure your misinformed beliefs will not change, but that does not mean that you will stop losing supporters in the Working Class. Your ideals are a proven failure. You tried to prop up Europe and won't even acknowledge that the Euro itself is in danger of collapse because of the austerity plague that they're suffering.

History is dictating, right now, that low tariffs are killing America's working class.

Do not concern yourself about my stubbornness. Do concern yourself with the fact that your ideals have earned the total emnity of ALL of America's working class - Democrats and Republicans alike.