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78. People expect leaders to play politics

Fri Nov 22, 2019, 06:35 PM

Nov 2019

I think people assume everyone “plays politics.” Trump pressured Ukraine to harm Biden. What’s new? I prefer focusing on obstruction of justice. Trump was being investigated by Mueller. He ordered several employees to lie to the prosecutor. That is a more understandable crime. If John Gotti orders someone to lie to the cops or prosecutors then that is an obvious crime. And that is exactly what Trump did. We need to broaden the grounds for impeachment. Also our preeminent anti corruption law is the emoluments clause. It flat out outlaws a President taking money from foreign countries. Trump has taken money from 22 countries. That is illegal. Also Trump stole from his charity. He paid a two million dollar fine. Stealing from your charity is clearly wrong.

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How the heck is public support for impeachment going DOWN?? [View all] budkin Nov 2019 OP

OMG I think I'm gonna cry mucifer Nov 2019 #1

attention spans evertonfc Nov 2019 #2

Plus news fatigue Amishman Nov 2019 #18

this exactly..... a kennedy Nov 2019 #24

I think those numbers will be changing now. Watergate numbers at this point of the process had to be marble falls Nov 2019 #3

I wouldn't pay any attention to polls PatSeg Nov 2019 #4

K&R!!! I don't know how they find the participants in these pools, but I have RKP5637 Nov 2019 #10

Same here PatSeg Nov 2019 #40

I think most people with cell phones don't answer their phones when contacted if smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #45

I don't answer my cell phone or my landline PatSeg Nov 2019 #47

Remember: polls are largely done by phone Bettie Nov 2019 #33

I never do PatSeg Nov 2019 #39

Older people with an Bettie Nov 2019 #43

I can sort of understand that, PatSeg Nov 2019 #46

The older people you know are probably not particularly Bettie Nov 2019 #48

That is true PatSeg Nov 2019 #49

Caution though. Imperialism Inc. Nov 2019 #70

I don't believe any polls anymore Bettie Nov 2019 #73

Three words: margin of error Spider Jerusalem Nov 2019 #5

Because great swaths of this country fall into the "SQUIRREL !!!" trap. CincyDem Nov 2019 #6

At this point in time it can't really go up or down lunatica Nov 2019 #7

I agree. ReformedGOPer Nov 2019 #71

The drop is among independents. I hate that. nt centrarchus Nov 2019 #8

Most regular people only think about marlakay Nov 2019 #9

I agree. I honestly don't understand why they have to be so long Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #27

Fox News and Republicans seem united NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #11

Look underneath the graph.... stevil Nov 2019 #12

actually I suspect gangs of MAGA people yellowdogintexas Nov 2019 #20

My husband and I and all of you here are the only people I know following this closely. Vinca Nov 2019 #13

My SIL this morning: "I'm sick of the whole thing". maxsolomon Nov 2019 #25

I think we waited way too long to impeach. People Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #29

Yes and No. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #32

Totally budkin Nov 2019 #41

Not worth the attention at thus moment beachbumbob Nov 2019 #14

Differing from Watergate in that then you almost coulldn't go anyplace without the hearing being on. Liberal In Texas Nov 2019 #15

Most people Don't listen to the whole thing TheRealNorth Nov 2019 #16

Most people don't listen to any of it. And millions don't even know these hearings are taking place. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #17

Look pretty stable to me Downtown Hound Nov 2019 #19

Nope. Kingofalldems Nov 2019 #21

Polls - bah!!! No one has EVER asked me to be in a poll. Talitha Nov 2019 #22

My household is 100% for impeachment, no change. Brainfodder Nov 2019 #23

There tends to be ebbs and flows; in tides, human affairs, stock market fluctuations, empedocles Nov 2019 #26

Fox News, for starters Miles Archer Nov 2019 #28

And rush Limbaugh Joe941 Nov 2019 #51

the polls are correct, imho. the GOP strategy seems to be working. 0rganism Nov 2019 #30

Cool story, bro. John Fante Nov 2019 #52

Likely an accurate reading of it. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #74

Everything i read at CNN, Rawstory, The Nation etc. looks like impeachment is well supported Bonx Nov 2019 #31

Perhaps they're shifting their preference to drawing and quartering. nt Buns_of_Fire Nov 2019 #34

I'm more of a boiled in oil or broken on a wheel kind of a guy myself. rzemanfl Nov 2019 #53

I support this. MontanaMama Nov 2019 #79

Just got back from errands marlakay Nov 2019 #35

I don't know of anyone that has been watching it. Myself I watch MSNBC in the evening for the doc03 Nov 2019 #36

Pretty much how I feel about "independents" these days budkin Nov 2019 #38

Cooked books. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2019 #37

Yes - we should keep the constitution only if it is polling well XRubicon Nov 2019 #42

Don't overlook ... Tennessee Hillbilly Nov 2019 #44

It truly boggles the mind. Joe941 Nov 2019 #50

A Big chunk of the Population know Trump is corrupt and don't give a damn ritapria Nov 2019 #54

Exactly dustyscamp Nov 2019 #64

This evening on Last word Laurence O'Donnell Grammy23 Nov 2019 #55

I agree Poiuyt Nov 2019 #57

There are three kinds of people in this country customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #56

? Nov 20 yes is at 50% ... thats up uponit7771 Nov 2019 #58

I'm referring to the averages graph at the very top... budkin Nov 2019 #59

Why does anyone put stock in polling averages? DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #77

November 21, 45.6% support Impeachment, 45.5% do not Celerity Nov 2019 #61

Sad, but there are a lot of really ignorant people. Jakes Progress Nov 2019 #60

I never realized before Trump quite how many dumb Americans there are. NCLefty Nov 2019 #62

Some may think as I do nitpicker Nov 2019 #63

One poll. Learn statistics. Loki Liesmith Nov 2019 #65

Not one, but an average of all major polls Polybius Nov 2019 #72

Not one poll. Learn to read before being an a-hole. budkin Nov 2019 #75

It hasn't. tavernier Nov 2019 #66

+1 crickets Nov 2019 #68

Believe NO POLLS MFM008 Nov 2019 #67

Could easily just be statistical noise. Imperialism Inc. Nov 2019 #69

Because of those 45 minute ramblings from Nunes doc03 Nov 2019 #76

People expect leaders to play politics Cicada Nov 2019 #78