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In reply to the discussion: Why would any progressive promote Ron Paul's worldview? [View all]Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)Oh sure, he'll flip the bird to the military industry. Sucks for Lockheed and the rest of the bunch. Big deal.
But in the same breath, for the same reason, he's gonna wave the starting flag at every single chemical company that needs an easier time getting rid of their waste. Why not make the rivers burn in Chicago again? We don't need no stinking environmental regulations crimping on FREEDOM. You want corporate welfare? That's corporate welfare of the worst variety. Giving big corporations the 'right' to pollute the water we drink and the soil we live on.
It's my FREEDOM to dump sludge in a river. It's my FREEDOM to crap in the street (so long as the corporate ownership, hopefully me, doesn't object and call the police to beat me up). It's my FREEDOM to call the police and have them beat up black people who won't leave my lunch counter. That's what FREEDOM is. And it's not a good thing. Progressives hear Ron Paul talk and think he's a good ol' civil libertarian like them, but he's not using these words the same way that you do. They don't mean the same things. With libertarians, property rights come first and foremost and everything else pretty much doesn't matter. And that has big implications.
And oh, sure, the whole libertarian schtick is to bring the army home. But when Exxon Mobil is off in some third-world country and stops liking the government... when it feels that the government is using force against it. Well, the libertarian schtick at that point suggests self-defense is a justified course of action. And once we're there, we're in East India Company territory. And that's a whole helluva lot worse than the crap we have going on today.
Edit: Just wanted to point out that I capitalized FREEDOM to emphasize that Ron Paul isn't using the word the way many progressives do.