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ProSense

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17. Hey

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 02:04 AM

Jan 2012

What Greenwald's and other progressive blogers point is, is that Ron Paul is the only candidate talking about these issues such as being against the ever encroaching police state and the supposed radical view that we should end the always on state of war footing and start to wind down the militarism that we have been at, especially since 2001.

What is really crazy is to continue to think we should be the policeman of the world and keep cracking down on basic freedoms in this country based on phantom security threats.

It's simplistic thinking to say whatever someone stands for or says, that you have to disagree with them if they are not 100% pure. For instance, if Ron Paul says he loves his mother, does that mean we all have to say we hate our mother's or else we are a Ron Paul supporter?

Let's at least go to level 1 thinking folks.

...Farrakhan loves his mother!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002127174

Farrakhan 2012!

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Why would any progressive promote Ron Paul's worldview? [View all] ProSense Jan 2012 OP

Note to Progressives: He wants to DISMANTLE the Govt and vaporize social safety nets. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #1

This also includes programs that give financial grants (i,e,, PELL) to college Kahuna Jan 2012 #40

He WANTS to do it. CAN he do it? i was a cathar Jan 2012 #83

First you have to believe Ron Paul's BS that he WOULDN'T start wars. He will do what corporations FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #89

A progressive wouldn't. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #2

True: only people who mistakenly believe themselves to be progressive would frazzled Jan 2012 #3

Exactly nevergiveup Jan 2012 #5

Exactly. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #31

Precisely. A progressive wouldn't support Paul's world view. Laelth Jan 2012 #67

I totally agree, Laelth the ironic tragedy is that in spite of Paul's racism, he's the only major Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #77

Hear, hear! n/t Laelth Jan 2012 #78

I find some of Ron Paul's views very appealing... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #4

Paul ProSense Jan 2012 #6

I like that chart. (no text) Quantess Jan 2012 #39

+100. NO fucks given for Economic Darwinists, and Ron Paul very much is one. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #53

All of this Ron Paul garbage about sticking it to 'corporate welfare' is a bad joke. Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #9

Exactly. DevonRex Jan 2012 #11

Thank you! Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #27

The scary thing is, I could see Ron Paul reading what you said boxman15 Jan 2012 #66

Oh Snap! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #70

Well said! nt MH1 Jan 2012 #72

Welcome to DU, Saving Hawaii! 11 Bravo Jan 2012 #84

please spare me from going to Ron Pauls web page and just tell me BootinUp Jan 2012 #25

'Pour water on the corporate fire'? LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #34

Yep, yep and yep! nt Kahuna Jan 2012 #42

"European Welfare State" is truly laughable. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #68

I love this thread, and the great counter arguments to the left's Ron Paul fetish. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #71

You got it backwards grantcart Jan 2012 #81

So, you believe he'll end war and corporatocracy and basically do what he says he'll do? Doremus Jan 2012 #90

No progressive would. No progressive would believe DevonRex Jan 2012 #7

I don't think any do. Rex Jan 2012 #8

Take a look at #s 4 and 10. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #12

Lol, Bob Johnson. Now that is someone who would convince me of anything. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #10

Who might Bob be? Rex Jan 2012 #13

So you think Ron Paul is great? SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #14

Exposed! ProSense Jan 2012 #15

Actually I think she is laughing about the cred Rex Jan 2012 #22

What is the cred of Bob? SunsetDreams Jan 2012 #24

What's not to get? quinnox Jan 2012 #16

Hey ProSense Jan 2012 #17

But without simplistic thinking there would be no argument. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #18

Yup ProSense Jan 2012 #19

true quinnox Jan 2012 #21

At scam seminars like EST (or scientology or whatever) cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #23

If Newt Gingrich comes out tomorrow and says that climate change is happening and that we need to do Saving Hawaii Jan 2012 #20

But ProSense Jan 2012 #26

And again, thank you! Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #28

Ron Paul was asked about pollution, climate change, etc, his answer was that you sue people... joshcryer Jan 2012 #30

As I wrote on GG's blog: joshcryer Jan 2012 #29

That's too much to ask. This forum is not for "discussion" kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #60

We could co-opt ALL of em in 5 minutes w/ some long overdue SANITY on the drug war & the military. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #32

Libertarianism is a wierd ideology to place on the political scale. It takes its economic craigmatic Jan 2012 #33

It suits their needs. Behind the Aegis Jan 2012 #35

Anti war is appealing.. however, his bone crusing economic austerity plans... lib2DaBone Jan 2012 #36

Nah we arent suffering from depression cstanleytech Jan 2012 #43

One could ask the same question of Obama ixion Jan 2012 #37

Has Obama dismantled or supported the dismantling of social security, medicare or any of the varies cstanleytech Jan 2012 #44

The Constitution and Bill of Rights take precedence, but ixion Jan 2012 #54

There is no "if", either he has or he has not pushed or supported dismantling the varies social cstanleytech Jan 2012 #65

What a great example of binary black/white thinking. ixion Jan 2012 #79

I'll think about it................maybe. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #86

In part, or en toto? LanternWaste Jan 2012 #55

Well, not really. That is spin. ixion Jan 2012 #74

Because his military stance is appealing, MadHound Jan 2012 #38

Can you explain to me what the bill put forward by Mr. Paul... Spazito Jan 2012 #45

"not get involved" that there can be a problem. cstanleytech Jan 2012 #46

Sure ProSense Jan 2012 #47

Good read, although the irony of it is Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #41

ANOTHER Ron Paul thread from you? 99Forever Jan 2012 #48

Yes ProSense Jan 2012 #49

Paranoia.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #50

Well ProSense Jan 2012 #52

What's with that big chip.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #58

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #61

What utter nonsense. 99Forever Jan 2012 #62

Why the chip? n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #63

Thanks 99Forever Jan 2012 #64

I find it curious that many self-proclaimed Obama super-supporters... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #91

Legalized dope Freddie Stubbs Jan 2012 #51

Let me answer this question because I have been thinking about it NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #56

I don't understand _ed_ Jan 2012 #57

Please ProSense Jan 2012 #59

Here: _ed_ Jan 2012 #94

You ProSense Jan 2012 #99

WTF? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #75

Thanks for your detailed and reasoned response _ed_ Jan 2012 #96

I think my response was more than equal to the inanity of yours. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #101

Good luck getting a sandwich at the "No Gays, Blacks, Or Jews Allowed Lunch Counter", then Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #80

Good luck breathing if you happen to be suspected of terrorism _ed_ Jan 2012 #93

Anyone who promotes Ron Paul is not a progressive...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #69

No True Scotsman _ed_ Jan 2012 #97

The correct answer is: They would not. Anyone that supports Ron Paul Zorra Jan 2012 #73

No True Scotsman _ed_ Jan 2012 #95

Could they possibly be "fake" progressives and/or stealth Republicans? . Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #76

Wake me up NSojac Jan 2012 #82

You ProSense Jan 2012 #87

You realize the subject line allows more than one word? Just a tip. Logical Jan 2012 #92

I ProSense Jan 2012 #100

If a progressive has a kid in the military maybe?> Survivoreesta Jan 2012 #85

Here is what happened DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #88

I've always t thought of myself as a liberal mdmc Jan 2012 #98