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In reply to the discussion: Civil liberties disappear in the 2012 Democratic platform. [View all]Robb
(39,665 posts)133. Why is there nothing on fatherhood?
You're arguing several different things; let me help you focus a little.
I posted this without comment as an OP, and it sank like a stone, but perhaps you will find this helpful; it's the civil liberties language in the last four platforms; let me know how you think it's getting somehow worse:
2000:
While fighting terrorism, we will protect the civil liberties of all Americans. Our justice system must guarantee fairness with procedures that protect the rights of the accused, even under the unusual circumstances of the investigation of threats to our national security. We must avoid stereotyping, for it defeats the highest purposes of our country if citizens feel automatically suspect by virtue of their ethnic origin. The purpose of terrorism is not only to intimidate, but also to divide and fracture, and we cannot permit that to happen.
2004
We must always remember that terrorists do not just target our lives; they target our way of life. And so we must be on constant guard not to sacrifice the freedom we are fighting to protect. We will strengthen some provisions of the Patriot Act, like the restrictions on money laundering. And we will change the portions of the Patriot Act that threaten individual rights, such as the library provisions, while still allowing government to take all needed steps to fight terror. Our government should never round up innocent people only because of their religion or ethnicity, and we should never stifle free expression. We believe in an America where freedom is what we fight for not what we give up.
2008
We will pursue policies to undermine extremism, recognizing that this contest is also between two competing ideas and visions of the future. A crucial debate is occurring within Islam. The vast majority of Muslims believe in a future of peace, tolerance, development, and democratization. A small minority embrace a rigid and violent intolerance of personal liberty and the world at large. To empower forces of moderation, America must live up to our values, respect civil liberties, reject torture, and lead by example. We will make every effort to export hope and opportunityaccess to education, that opens minds to tolerance, not extremism; secure food and water supplies; and health care, trade, capital, and investment. We will provide steady support for political reformers, democratic institutions, and civil society that is necessary to uphold human rights and build respect for the rule of law.
2012
We must always seek to uphold these values at home, not just when it is easy, but, more importantly, when it is hard. Advancing our interests may involve new actions and policies to confront threats like terrorism, but the President and the Democratic Party believe these practices must always be in line with our Constitution, preserve our peoples privacy and civil liberties, and withstand the checks and balances that have served us so well. That is why the President banned torture without exception in his first week in office. That is why we are reforming military commissions to bring them in line with the rule of law. That is why we are substantially reducing the population at Guantánamo Bay without adding to it. And we remain committed to working with all branches of government to close the prison altogether because it is inconsistent with our national security interests and our values.
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New platform also supports death penalty, lower corporate taxes; withdraws 2008 support for unions;
woo me with science
Sep 2012
#150
True. Except for the part where the platform reaffirms our COMMITMENT TO CIVIL LIBERTIES.
Robb
Sep 2012
#3
The poster does this all the time... takes Obama out of context, lies about Democrats, etc.
scheming daemons
Sep 2012
#4
Really? I've advocated that? Please, provide a link, or admit you're making shit up.
MadHound
Sep 2012
#176
Remember when Bushbots eventually had to throw even the National Review under the bus?
Marr
Sep 2012
#147
Stop Lying. We are on to you. You advocated letting the Republicans win in 2012
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#161
What you wrote is there in black and white. You said it would be "better" if the Republicans win.
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#193
Not only that... he lies as much as Paul Ryan does.... the Platform REAFFIRMS the commitment to
scheming daemons
Sep 2012
#6
Sorry, will not forget that you advocate for letting the Republican win in 2012
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#175
Excellent post. And just a reminder, during the Bush administration the shredding of the
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#224
The OP stated an opinion about the platform. Did you debate his opinion? Or did you
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#109
Your response to the OP was, "I guess it was too tempting for you not to post some
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#131
The issue he brought up is important as you agreed. But you didn’t address the issue.
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#246
So-- when "Mother Jones" was carrying water for the pro-censorship Christian Right and boosting
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#213
I'm saying they lost a lot of credibility on complaining about Obama not distancing himself enough
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#216
I agree that the crackdown on med. marijuana is reprehensible, and needs to end.
Warren DeMontague
Sep 2012
#221
I would characterize as bullies those who resort to personal attacks rather than address the
Luminous Animal
Sep 2012
#83
Actually, the article specifically spells out what is missing from this platform that
Luminous Animal
Sep 2012
#98
You are off message. You are supposed to use the OTFLMAO smilie. Please report back to
Luminous Animal
Sep 2012
#103
The OP made a point. It was clearly not anti-Obama. Instead of debating the point
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#113
You forgot to show what was "disinformation". You are clearly only interested in smearing him
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#232
I do so enjoy the carefully constructed cross many people carry with them
LanternWaste
Sep 2012
#142
Do you have any substantial rebutall against the charges laid forth in the article?
MadHound
Sep 2012
#12
Do you ever post anything that doesn't have the intent of helping the GOP?
scheming daemons
Sep 2012
#14
Ah, so advocating the concept of hanging onto our civil liberties helps the 'Pugs,
MadHound
Sep 2012
#24
and apparently he believes that by trashing the Democrats so the republicans win, it will help.
progressivebydesign
Sep 2012
#21
Well, they are very much in the minority if that is the case. A vast majority of Americans
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#53
Actually, the reason why those issues were included in the 2008 Democratic platform was because
Luminous Animal
Sep 2012
#87
The Left was very vocal about their opposition to Bush's shredding of the Constitution.
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#223
I agree that the left was very vocial, but most Americans could care less.
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#231
Some of these planks in the platform are kind of depressing people's enthusiams.
limpyhobbler
Sep 2012
#65
I'm starting to wonder if all the "Vacuous ad hominem" are from sock puppets
fascisthunter
Sep 2012
#29
I haven't seen it often but I think girl gone mad has the right idea. I am going to follow her lead
Luminous Animal
Sep 2012
#91
But Sid, the OP didnt "trash Obama". He simply wanted to discuss the platform.
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#107
And being that it is a Partisan board and we are all Democrats, well most of us that is,
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#218
As they pretty much have under this administration. Both parties are united in their contempt....
villager
Sep 2012
#34
I know we're supposed to be all Kumbaya and stuff but I'll give this a rec.
progressoid
Sep 2012
#37
They're just removing the false advertising in the '08 commercial..er..platform.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Sep 2012
#47
Being that I am a Progressive Democrat advocating for Civil Liberties always gets a rec
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#49
I voted to abolish Shrub not fortify him, it's an implement of Totalitarianism....
orpupilofnature57
Sep 2012
#52
I am currently and will continue to work for the reelection of Pres Barack Obama
rhett o rick
Sep 2012
#54
I hear he is only interested in people who never question, who just march in lockstep
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#238
Nice to see that you're so willing to toss somebody's civil liberties out of window,
MadHound
Sep 2012
#141
Whichever party takes control will need all those powers. They will be needed. It's that bad.
dogknob
Sep 2012
#124
Propagandists? You are projecting. All your OP's are conspiracy theories that excuse Republicans
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#157
Care to address the specific omission of that civil rights language?
woo me with science
Sep 2012
#167
What's desperate is your attempt persuade DU'ers of how evil Democrats are
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#154
Stop spinning. You wrote what you wrote. It would be "better" if Republican won
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#198
No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under [Obama's] administration.
ProSense
Sep 2012
#152
Woo has a "fantasy Obama" act too. Appearing daily on DU with his empty chair.
emulatorloo
Sep 2012
#155
And the actual platforms from 2004, 2008, 2012? Well, let's just ignore that shall we?
GoneOffShore
Sep 2012
#153
More deliberate obfuscation. Of course you refuse to address the changes
woo me with science
Sep 2012
#197
the 2012 platform even brags about the supposed disruption of Al Qaeda....
Green_Lantern
Sep 2012
#210