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160. Kill lists, indefinite detention, and why is Obama silent

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 10:27 AM

Sep 2012

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on the massive new NSA spy center in Utah to provide access to Americans' phone calls and emails?

Why did the Obama administration go all the way to the Supreme Court to argue FOR warrantless GPS surveillance and FOR strip searches for any arrestee? Why is it silently making plans for an internet ID?

Why was the specific language on civil liberties that Madhound's post referenced omitted from the new Democratic platform?

And why does the new Democratic platform defend the death penalty?

Why does the new Democratic platform advocate lower corporate tax rates?

Why does the new Democratic platform omit its previous support for Card-Check, to make it easier for unions to organize? Why would the new Democratic Party abandon support for unions?

And why won't the president or the platform rule out a chained CPI or cuts to Social Security and Medicare, including increases for ages of eligibility?

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Civil liberties disappear in the 2012 Democratic platform. [View all] MadHound Sep 2012 OP

Civil liberties are soooo -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #1

New platform also supports death penalty, lower corporate taxes; withdraws 2008 support for unions; woo me with science Sep 2012 #150

I can't imagine anyone willingly giving up power... even myself. Proles Sep 2012 #2

I don't trust Obama with that power--or anyone for that matter DerekG Sep 2012 #36

Amen! 1monster Sep 2012 #64

Obama I can trust but even the best case scenario Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2012 #202

True. Except for the part where the platform reaffirms our COMMITMENT TO CIVIL LIBERTIES. Robb Sep 2012 #3

The poster does this all the time... takes Obama out of context, lies about Democrats, etc. scheming daemons Sep 2012 #4

Vacuous ad hominem. n/t girl gone mad Sep 2012 #20

No, it is the truth emulatorloo Sep 2012 #38

Did the OP take Obama out of context, or lie in the OP? If not, then rhett o rick Sep 2012 #140

Poster has advocated "Letting the Republicans Win in 2012" emulatorloo Sep 2012 #159

Really? I've advocated that? Please, provide a link, or admit you're making shit up. MadHound Sep 2012 #176

Here's your post. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #177

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #181

Bullshit - the words are there in black and white emulatorloo Sep 2012 #195

No they are not dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #233

Firedoglake type site? MadHound Sep 2012 #100

Remember when Bushbots eventually had to throw even the National Review under the bus? Marr Sep 2012 #147

Oh this isn't the first time that a well respected publication or writer MadHound Sep 2012 #149

Mother Jones? Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #101

Apparently you can't, MadHound Sep 2012 #8

Why is there nothing on fatherhood? Robb Sep 2012 #133

Because you are cherry picking what you're posting, MadHound Sep 2012 #135

That's a lie, MadHound. Robb Sep 2012 #136

No, it isn't, MadHound Sep 2012 #138

"Boilerplate"? What are you talking about? Robb Sep 2012 #145

Yes, have you? MadHound Sep 2012 #146

Stop Lying. We are on to you. You advocated letting the Republicans win in 2012 emulatorloo Sep 2012 #161

Again with that shit, put up or shut up. MadHound Sep 2012 #178

I provided a link - your own words emulatorloo Sep 2012 #194

So again, we see you are a liar, MadHound Sep 2012 #189

What you wrote is there in black and white. You said it would be "better" if the Republicans win. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #193

No, this is what I said MadHound Sep 2012 #196

Can the BS. In your construct, "Dying Quickly" = Republicans winning. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #203

Sez you... derby378 Sep 2012 #235

Be careful the Obama-bashers will call you a dingbat. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #117

I guess it was too tempting Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #5

Not only that... he lies as much as Paul Ryan does.... the Platform REAFFIRMS the commitment to scheming daemons Sep 2012 #6

Acutally, read the article, MadHound Sep 2012 #10

The '08 platform did not condemn the Patriot Act SOS Sep 2012 #94

Let's see here, MadHound Sep 2012 #102

"review" and "revisit" mean nothing SOS Sep 2012 #251

I learned to take anything the OP says Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #13

I've learned that you're long on insults, MadHound Sep 2012 #104

I have rarely interacted with you Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #116

Thank you for demonstrating my point so succinctly, MadHound Sep 2012 #129

Applause! Howler Sep 2012 #171

Sorry, will not forget that you advocate for letting the Republican win in 2012 emulatorloo Sep 2012 #175

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #185

Wow... SidDithers Sep 2012 #186

Yes, amazing isn't it that people will stoop to lying on this site, MadHound Sep 2012 #190

They're your words and they're pretty clear... SidDithers Sep 2012 #199

Excellent post. And just a reminder, during the Bush administration the shredding of the sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #224

Of course I have not Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #234

Well said. n/t FSogol Sep 2012 #143

Do you have any rebuttal to the subject of the OP? MadHound Sep 2012 #9

No response to that one, eh? +1,000 for the killshot argument! Zalatix Sep 2012 #42

Of course not. woo me with science Sep 2012 #80

Vacuous ad hominem. n/t girl gone mad Sep 2012 #23

Vacuous reply Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #89

Nailed it... SidDithers Sep 2012 #28

Thank you. This shit is getting old. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #39

The bullies are active, trying to silence dissent. How not-Democratic. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #46

Knew it wouldn't be too long Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #56

Are you trying to eliminate dissent by name-calling? nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #60

No. Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #69

ROFL! woo me with science Sep 2012 #82

If you believe that people here Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #86

The OP stated an opinion about the platform. Did you debate his opinion? Or did you rhett o rick Sep 2012 #109

If you honestly believe Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #121

Your response to the OP was, "I guess it was too tempting for you not to post some rhett o rick Sep 2012 #131

Yes, that was my response to the OP Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #242

The issue he brought up is important as you agreed. But you didn’t address the issue. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #246

Like calling good DUers who disagree with you "bullies"? Robb Sep 2012 #70

Please define a "good Duer" versus a "bad Duer". blue neen Sep 2012 #74

How about "everyone who doesn't call people who disagree bullies"? Robb Sep 2012 #75

Psst, Robb! woo me with science Sep 2012 #84

Oh, good. The Green Swarm. Robb Sep 2012 #88

So-- when "Mother Jones" was carrying water for the pro-censorship Christian Right and boosting Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #213

Oh my WORD. woo me with science Sep 2012 #215

I'm saying they lost a lot of credibility on complaining about Obama not distancing himself enough Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #216

That response is dismissive of reality. woo me with science Sep 2012 #220

I agree that the crackdown on med. marijuana is reprehensible, and needs to end. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #221

No, not "too complicated", but definitely too condescending... blue neen Sep 2012 #96

I would characterize as bullies those who resort to personal attacks rather than address the Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #83

Thank you. nt woo me with science Sep 2012 #90

As I said below, that position relies on such an obtuse reading of the platform Robb Sep 2012 #92

Actually, the article specifically spells out what is missing from this platform that Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #98

Granny Smiths -- gone! Robb Sep 2012 #99

You are off message. You are supposed to use the OTFLMAO smilie. Please report back to Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #103

I'll settle for you getting a new shtick. Robb Sep 2012 #105

I'm Still Waiting RobinA Sep 2012 #209

The OP made a point. It was clearly not anti-Obama. Instead of debating the point rhett o rick Sep 2012 #113

The OP continued his disinformation campaign emulatorloo Sep 2012 #180

Lying some more. n/t MadHound Sep 2012 #184

You forgot to show what was "disinformation". You are clearly only interested in smearing him rhett o rick Sep 2012 #232

Well said. woo me with science Sep 2012 #78

Very well said. nt woo me with science Sep 2012 #93

I do so enjoy the carefully constructed cross many people carry with them LanternWaste Sep 2012 #142

+100 nt Skip Intro Sep 2012 #158

What the fuck is fundamentally wrong with people woo me with science Sep 2012 #77

What the fuck is fundamentally wrong Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #85

I think that you let your blind allegiance get in the way of your rhett o rick Sep 2012 #114

Same old/same old Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #119

someone should tell Skinner to come on back. Whisp Sep 2012 #7

Do you have any substantial rebutall against the charges laid forth in the article? MadHound Sep 2012 #12

Do you ever post anything that doesn't have the intent of helping the GOP? scheming daemons Sep 2012 #14

Ah, so advocating the concept of hanging onto our civil liberties helps the 'Pugs, MadHound Sep 2012 #24

Life is too short Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #19

So in other words, you don't have a rebutal, MadHound Sep 2012 #27

Well, I'm up to post 27 and no serious rebuttal yet. Lots of ad hominem though. Vattel Sep 2012 #71

That made me LOL! Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #15

Aw man? Give it a rest. trof Sep 2012 #11

Aw man, ignore the disappearance of our civil liberties, MadHound Sep 2012 #16

Remember Senator Leahy? OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #123

He can't. His goal is to depress Democratic enthusiasm. scheming daemons Sep 2012 #17

and apparently he believes that by trashing the Democrats so the republicans win, it will help. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #21

GREAT analogy. klook Sep 2012 #228

And it really gets his back up Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #22

Vacuous ad hominem. n/t girl gone mad Sep 2012 #25

No, it is the truth. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #41

Nailed it... SidDithers Sep 2012 #31

Do you know why the platform changed? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #43

They dont care if the platform changes. They dont care what it says. They rhett o rick Sep 2012 #50

Well, they are very much in the minority if that is the case. A vast majority of Americans sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #53

I must disagree. When Bush was president and proceeded to eliminate rhett o rick Sep 2012 #59

Actually, the reason why those issues were included in the 2008 Democratic platform was because Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #87

Kind of a bait and switch. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #108

The Left was very vocal about their opposition to Bush's shredding of the Constitution. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #223

I agree that the left was very vocial, but most Americans could care less. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #231

This thread sure supports that picture. Vattel Sep 2012 #73

Well, considering that the current administration MadHound Sep 2012 #148

+1 Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #58

Some of these planks in the platform are kind of depressing people's enthusiams. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #65

I'm sorry that you didn't get your pony. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #18

Vacuous ad hominem. n/t girl gone mad Sep 2012 #26

I'm starting to wonder if all the "Vacuous ad hominem" are from sock puppets fascisthunter Sep 2012 #29

Civil Liberties are ponies. You need to remember that! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #44

Amendments, schmamendments. woo me with science Sep 2012 #211

. blue neen Sep 2012 #72

Ominous Vacuum Ad jberryhill Sep 2012 #81

I haven't seen it often but I think girl gone mad has the right idea. I am going to follow her lead Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #91

You Don't Get RobinA Sep 2012 #212

but apparently you DID get your pony, so fuck everyone else? frylock Sep 2012 #226

That's gonna leave a mark derby378 Sep 2012 #236

I't the "Run to the Right" by our Party...STRONG on WAR/MILITARY... KoKo Sep 2012 #30

I miss Unrec... SidDithers Sep 2012 #32

Me too. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #35

Agreed. Jamaal510 Sep 2012 #55

Yeah, about that. JoeyT Sep 2012 #112

Civil Liberties should be unrec'd! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #45

Yeah, why does he hate Amurika!!11! Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #222

Of course, I think a vast majority of DUers do. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #225

Of course... Bobbie Jo Sep 2012 #229

I didn't miss a thing! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #239

You would like it much better if you personally could TS anyone rhett o rick Sep 2012 #51

It's agreat American tradition pscot Sep 2012 #61

You forget this is a partisan website... SidDithers Sep 2012 #63

But Sid, the OP didnt "trash Obama". He simply wanted to discuss the platform. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #107

And being that it is a Partisan board and we are all Democrats, well most of us that is, sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #218

... SidDithers Sep 2012 #227

... sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #240

. graywarrior Sep 2012 #95

We really don't need this right now. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #33

As they pretty much have under this administration. Both parties are united in their contempt.... villager Sep 2012 #34

I know we're supposed to be all Kumbaya and stuff but I'll give this a rec. progressoid Sep 2012 #37

+1 leftstreet Sep 2012 #40

Thank you. It is a critical issue, woo me with science Sep 2012 #120

Yep Kurovski Sep 2012 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author Kurovski Sep 2012 #244

They're just removing the false advertising in the '08 commercial..er..platform. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #47

O RLY? sakabatou Sep 2012 #48

Being that I am a Progressive Democrat advocating for Civil Liberties always gets a rec sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #49

I voted to abolish Shrub not fortify him, it's an implement of Totalitarianism.... orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #52

I am currently and will continue to work for the reelection of Pres Barack Obama rhett o rick Sep 2012 #54

K&R, nt. druidity33 Sep 2012 #57

Some people prefer to die OnyxCollie Sep 2012 #62

That's Kurovski Sep 2012 #245

Truly sad. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #66

This is a lie. Read the platform. Politicub Sep 2012 #67

Why has it changed since 2008? Tell the truth now. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #111

Paul Ryan is hiring nt ecstatic Sep 2012 #68

I hear he is only interested in people who never question, who just march in lockstep sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #238

Wow, what a pathetic response to your post. Vattel Sep 2012 #76

What a deliberately obtuse reading of the platform. Robb Sep 2012 #79

You don't think the differences are significant? Vattel Sep 2012 #106

Excellent post. Thank you. woo me with science Sep 2012 #208

Your Argument RobinA Sep 2012 #214

K&R This is an important post. woo me with science Sep 2012 #97

This is an important issue. But look at all the bullies that want to rhett o rick Sep 2012 #110

"Name calling is all they got. DINO's the lot"... SidDithers Sep 2012 #115

I know, I know Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #122

I notice that you dont want to discuss the OP. I wonder why? nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #139

It's a tactic. Pollute the thread with garbage and misdirection, woo me with science Sep 2012 #137

This nonsense does not justify a rebuttal. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #118

+ AtomicKitten Sep 2012 #125

Nice to see that you're so willing to toss somebody's civil liberties out of window, MadHound Sep 2012 #141

Whichever party takes control will need all those powers. They will be needed. It's that bad. dogknob Sep 2012 #124

Wow! n/t sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #241

I absolutely loved the speeches tonight but i did turn to my husband FedUpWithIt All Sep 2012 #126

Excellent Mother Jones article, MH Le Taz Hot Sep 2012 #127

We all know the drill. woo me with science Sep 2012 #134

Propagandists? You are projecting. All your OP's are conspiracy theories that excuse Republicans emulatorloo Sep 2012 #157

Care to address the specific omission of that civil rights language? woo me with science Sep 2012 #167

Cool story, bro. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #128

I'm glad to see people feel passionately about this at least. raouldukelives Sep 2012 #130

Kick. This is far more important woo me with science Sep 2012 #132

More important information about the platform woo me with science Sep 2012 #144

What's desperate is your attempt persuade DU'ers of how evil Democrats are emulatorloo Sep 2012 #154

Care to address the actual changes to the platform? nt woo me with science Sep 2012 #163

Uh huh emulatorloo Sep 2012 #166

That doesn't answer the question at all. woo me with science Sep 2012 #170

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #173

Saying that it is a lie is a blatant lie. woo me with science Sep 2012 #179

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #187

Why advocate lower corporate tax rates in the platform? woo me with science Sep 2012 #205

desperation bobduca Sep 2012 #183

Sorry, Woo is a liar. Plenty of examples in this thread. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #191

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #192

Stop spinning. You wrote what you wrote. It would be "better" if Republican won emulatorloo Sep 2012 #198

No, this is what I said MadHound Sep 2012 #200

Your construct is: "dying quickly" = Republicans emulatorloo Sep 2012 #206

I guess thats why you have accepted the role of 'Archivist' bobduca Sep 2012 #204

I'm really tired of reading such simplistic bald-faced lies from you fascisthunter Sep 2012 #247

kick woo me with science Sep 2012 #151

No reports of extraordinary rendition to torture or other cruelty under [Obama's] administration. ProSense Sep 2012 #152

Woo has a "fantasy Obama" act too. Appearing daily on DU with his empty chair. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #155

Typical smear with no content. woo me with science Sep 2012 #162

You want content re your trollish conspiracy theories? Check your OP's. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #169

Kill lists, indefinite detention, and why is Obama silent woo me with science Sep 2012 #160

Blah! n/t ProSense Sep 2012 #165

And the actual platforms from 2004, 2008, 2012? Well, let's just ignore that shall we? GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #153

Facts don't matter to the Anti-Democrat Trolls emulatorloo Sep 2012 #156

Care to address the actual changes to the platform? woo me with science Sep 2012 #164

Here ProSense Sep 2012 #168

Care to address the language that was removed? woo me with science Sep 2012 #174

No, but maybe ProSense Sep 2012 #188

More deliberate obfuscation. Of course you refuse to address the changes woo me with science Sep 2012 #197

WTF is that? ProSense Sep 2012 #201

I am tired of arguing with liars. emulatorloo Sep 2012 #172

Exactly... SidDithers Sep 2012 #182

Typical insult, no ability to refute. nt woo me with science Sep 2012 #207

... SidDithers Sep 2012 #217

... sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #219

the 2012 platform even brags about the supposed disruption of Al Qaeda.... Green_Lantern Sep 2012 #210

Very clear and lucid OP MadHound! Howler Sep 2012 #230

SO DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM!!!!!!! RiffRandell Sep 2012 #237

a tough pill to swallow for sure fascisthunter Sep 2012 #248

Remember this guy? warrprayer Sep 2012 #249

I miss him. woo me with science Sep 2012 #250