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GulfCoast66

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93. Now there's a good way to win an election. Run against the hamburger!
Mon Dec 9, 2019, 12:54 AM
Dec 2019

Obviously, that’s not what is being proposed here. But there are things we can do from a policy standpoint that improve the situation. Use tax policy to encourage the eating of farm animals that are consume near where they are raised. Although that is becoming more popular everywhere. We can actually get grass fed Florida beef here now which was unheard of 10 years ago. Ruminates evolved on this planet and we evolved eating them. Trying to change that is pissing into the wind. We are hard-wired to eat meat.

Actually, recent research strongly suggests that had our ancient pre-human ancestors not begun to eat meat we would have not had enough calories in our diet for our massive, energy consuming brain to evolve.

Personally I eat a good amount of venison I kill myself, so except for the 600 miles I drive to shoot the deer I am not eating industrial meat. Plus lots of fish I catch in the gulf. But of course, that involves pulling a boat with an internal combustion engine 60 miles using a truck with and 8 cylinder engine.

Rather than tilting at the windmill of trying to eliminate meat consumption I think we should long term focus on policy that encourages better livestock distribution. Most meat eaten in Florida is shipped from Midwest feedlots. The irony is that Florida raises huge numbers of calves which are shipped to the Midwest to be fed out. Then slaughtered and shipped back. Crazy!

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This message was self-deleted by its author meow2u3 Dec 2019 #1
Lol! demmiblue Dec 2019 #4
Yes, every time science disagrees with personal belief systems, it's a conspiracy. Doodley Dec 2019 #11
Maybe you could be sensitive to the planet and future generations. Doodley Dec 2019 #10
They have zero fucks to give Codeine Dec 2019 #86
Buy meat that is, "Humane Farming" or "Humanely Farmed" Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #16
That's better than nothing but it still takes 10 calories of energy to get 1 calorie from beef Doremus Dec 2019 #51
Grass fed beef is actually good for the environment. If you see my other post Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #63
Uh, no. Doremus Dec 2019 #70
What that movie spoke about was how many billions of buffalo roamed around the US Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #71
50-60 million bison. There are more than 30 million cattle slaughtered each YEAR Doremus Dec 2019 #72
Add to that another 9 BILLION chickens Codeine Dec 2019 #84
There are around 55 million turkeys slaughtered, just for Thanksgiving. Doodley Dec 2019 #96
Non union - will never shop there demosincebirth Dec 2019 #80
Nothing in FL is union. Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #88
Must be something union - railroads, airports, container yards, etc, etc. demosincebirth Dec 2019 #95
I have a friend that worked at the airport, fueling the planes and he was paid crap wages. Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #100
Trying to imagine how industrial killing Codeine Dec 2019 #83
The manure is a problem. pwb Dec 2019 #2
The manure can be used for fertilizer meow2u3 Dec 2019 #8
In that special on the Keto diet they talked about how there were million of buffalos roaming Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #18
This is the best post here Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #47
Even just reducing beef (as opposed to other meats) would have a huge impact Takket Dec 2019 #3
Here is a link that speaks to grass fed beef. Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #19
Most (70-85%) of grass fed beef is imported from Australia. Doremus Dec 2019 #53
Not for much longer. roamer65 Dec 2019 #77
Yep, if it doesn't burn up first. :( Doremus Dec 2019 #90
making humans Vegan is the U.N. evil plan to curb global warming SterlingPound Dec 2019 #5
I have been a vegetarian... Newest Reality Dec 2019 #6
I've given up factory farm meat. safeinOhio Dec 2019 #7
A vegetarian diet is not necessarily the unmitigated good PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #9
I'm a vegetarian and have never sought to convert anyone. My wife is a carnivore, and Doodley Dec 2019 #13
excuse me? meat eaters don't go out of their way to persuade others? 0rganism Dec 2019 #35
So sorry about the commercials. Since I don't have a TV I tend to be PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #39
fair enough, but it's not just TV 0rganism Dec 2019 #42
"meat eaters don't go out of their way to persuade others they really ought to be eating meat" flibbitygiblets Dec 2019 #65
Actually they do True_Blue Dec 2019 #97
I would never lecture anyone that they must eat meat. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #104
If certain animals don't have monetary value, they will be eradicated. Greybnk48 Dec 2019 #12
That argument is nonsense. To move to an all vegetarian society would save the lives of hundreds Doodley Dec 2019 #14
What would happen sarisataka Dec 2019 #15
There wouldn't be an abundance. They would dwindle to very small numbers. Doodley Dec 2019 #17
I don't believe that farm animals sarisataka Dec 2019 #20
There already is mass euthanasia of animals, every single day. Doodley Dec 2019 #23
The point is mass vegetarianism sarisataka Dec 2019 #28
It would stop the slaughter of hundreds of millions of animals every single day. Doodley Dec 2019 #43
Again, what value would a pig have if it's not being raised for meat Greybnk48 Dec 2019 #78
It's your choice to be a vegetarian, dware Dec 2019 #30
Too bad the planet (and the animals) can't say the same. nt Doremus Dec 2019 #54
Being at the top of the food chain has it's advantages. pintobean Dec 2019 #67
Yeah, we don't have to wait to be picked off by predators, we can take ourselves out. nt Doremus Dec 2019 #69
If your animal worship religion/philosophy customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #21
Well said. nt dware Dec 2019 #31
Well, if that's the way you feel about it... hunter Dec 2019 #32
What are you going on about? demmiblue Dec 2019 #33
That's the latest "card" customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #49
It's the old "muh bacon" defense. lololo Doremus Dec 2019 #55
Can you eat your steak without insulting other people? yewberry Dec 2019 #68
The vegan/vegetarian group customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #73
LOL that's not why you were banned. flvegan Dec 2019 #74
DU routinely allows you and others to say shitty and untrue things about us. yewberry Dec 2019 #89
I don't believe people who eat meat Codeine Dec 2019 #105
Eating meat is how we evolved. MrsCoffee Dec 2019 #22
How is that relevant to making choices now that are less damaging to the environment? Doodley Dec 2019 #25
Would you miss the cows? brooklynite Dec 2019 #24
... demmiblue Dec 2019 #34
Things that crack me up: Doremus Dec 2019 #56
Not troubled at all, but I DO enjoy a good "Holier than Thou" thread... brooklynite Dec 2019 #61
I've been off animal products for years. Save your health, save animals and save planet 🙂 MLAA Dec 2019 #26
The Game Changers has been thoroughly debunked Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #48
Really? I hadn't heard that. Got any links to reputable sources? Doremus Dec 2019 #57
The meat industry has certainly been vocal against the movie 🙂 MLAA Dec 2019 #59
Great for the environments. democratisphere Dec 2019 #27
these studies and stats rarely take into account the vastly different types of husbandry that exists Kali Dec 2019 #29
Not as much as giving up children. The_jackalope Dec 2019 #36
I've told two nieces not to have children. roamer65 Dec 2019 #75
This argument is counterproductive and, therefore, ironically, anti-environment. gulliver Dec 2019 #37
Better to eat Republicans The_jackalope Dec 2019 #38
Ok, two cannibals sitting down for dinner: JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2019 #64
I've been sick all week Bayard Dec 2019 #40
No, they don't. dware Dec 2019 #44
Thanks! Bayard Dec 2019 #50
Counterpoint ProfessorGAC Dec 2019 #85
I'm sure. dware Dec 2019 #92
I tried one. xmas74 Dec 2019 #106
Maybe it's just me, dware Dec 2019 #108
Meh. I've been a vegan for a long time Codeine Dec 2019 #109
I didn't know about the Beyond Tacos at Taco Bell. dware Dec 2019 #111
Not at all. You can have my bacon when you pry it from my greasy hands. scheming daemons Dec 2019 #41
I can't remember the last steak I ate. MineralMan Dec 2019 #45
Unfortunately, in my chosen profession, dware Dec 2019 #46
I'm on a plant based diet evertonfc Dec 2019 #52
Cheese, yogurt, milk products aren't plant-based. nt Doremus Dec 2019 #58
vegetarians evertonfc Dec 2019 #60
I know. Doremus Dec 2019 #66
I rarely eat MFM008 Dec 2019 #62
On DU, it largely doesn't matter. flvegan Dec 2019 #76
They'll excoriate climate change denial, Codeine Dec 2019 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Dec 2019 #79
Earthworms are an invasive species. hunter Dec 2019 #107
Tried the plant based hamburger. Aussie105 Dec 2019 #81
I used to like beef, but had to give it up decades ago for health reasons DFW Dec 2019 #87
ah, the eternal vanity of homo sapiens Nature Man Dec 2019 #91
Now there's a good way to win an election. Run against the hamburger! GulfCoast66 Dec 2019 #93
Soylent Green time. roamer65 Dec 2019 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #98
NTSA! whistler162 Dec 2019 #99
what would happen to all the farms animals if we all went all vegan? samnsara Dec 2019 #101
I would probably die or be severely injured from diabetes if I had to go meatless Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #102
Execellent post. dware Dec 2019 #103
Go veg if you want for your diet, but don't pretend it will have the same impact of alternative JCMach1 Dec 2019 #110
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