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trof

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139. Been there, done that.

Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:29 PM

Dec 2019

I was flying a TWA Lockheed L-1011.

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Landed mid 1980s (35 YEARS AGO!) at London Heathrow, zero ceiling, zero visibility.
Autopilot all the way.
It's the only way the aircraft was FAA authorized to land zero-zero.
Nosewheel tracked the centerline of the runway until we came to a complete stop.
Had to get a 'Follow Me' truck to lead us to the gate.
We were the only aircraft to land at Heathrow that morning.
You can be sure I told my passengers that.

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A self-driving truck delivered butter from California to Pennsylvania in three days [View all] redqueen Dec 2019 OP

I don't like that. ecstatic Dec 2019 #1

During this cross-country trip there were no disengagements. redqueen Dec 2019 #8

What happens when someone writes a "save the load" override in the software? Baitball Blogger Dec 2019 #113

I agree. cwydro Dec 2019 #17

What could go wrong is a reasonable question to ask, and it's one that Sapient Donkey Dec 2019 #22

They're actually aiming to make these safer than a human driver. redqueen Dec 2019 #28

as long as a human rides along, losing jobs at the expense of progress is a losing battle Demonaut Dec 2019 #47

I was just saying that to my blacksmith the other day Recursion Dec 2019 #57

LOL Vinnie From Indy Dec 2019 #76

I think there's an app for that Demonaut Dec 2019 #136

Just shows how out of touch you are! A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #154

True, they wouldn't invest so much $ development if that were the case redqueen Dec 2019 #63

Those jobs won't be good paying union trucker jobs, though Ohiogal Dec 2019 #77

Most trucking jobs ARE NOT "good paying union trucker jobs" though. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #155

Sorry, that wasn't what I meant! Ohiogal Dec 2019 #158

Fair enough. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #159

Progress creates new jobs in new industries. cbdo2007 Dec 2019 #84

sure, no one complains about driving for uber, or amazon warehouse workers, or grubhub delivery Demonaut Dec 2019 #85

Wow, that is a pretty short sighted view of progress...truck drivers to delivery drivers cbdo2007 Dec 2019 #89

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Are you sure about this? redqueen Dec 2019 #94

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Newt Gingrich's '90s premonition of Nature Man Dec 2019 #105

Probably less than currently goes wrong with human drivers Recursion Dec 2019 #56

An OTR standard limit is 40 tons gross weight soryang Dec 2019 #121

Wait a minute... lame54 Dec 2019 #2

Yes of course - this has been going on for a while now. redqueen Dec 2019 #5

I'll be glad when we get these in Texas. We have some of the worst drivers in the nation. It has got walkingman Dec 2019 #3

We've had similar tests going on in Texas. redqueen Dec 2019 #7

You have described practically every trip I've made on I-5 Adsos Letter Dec 2019 #34

The AI driven trucks will chain together redqueen Dec 2019 #40

what does chain together mean? pangaia Dec 2019 #54

One truck leads and the several others follow in its draft Recursion Dec 2019 #62

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"Human drivers do it now, but it can be dangerous." A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #157

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10-4 Nature Man Dec 2019 #206

I don't think it is unusual. Hangingon Dec 2019 #193

The circumstance that the Poster Recursion mentioned above is different ... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #201

However you describe them, they are a problem for other drivers Hangingon Dec 2019 #203

Right, it's DiverDave Dec 2019 #50

Andrew Yang is spot on when he says that FM123 Dec 2019 #4

Precisely Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #12

He is pro UBI isn' He? SterlingPound Dec 2019 #23

Yes, and here is a link to his policy proposal on the topic of UBI Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #29

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I agree of course. redqueen Dec 2019 #16

ATMs, Self service gas pumps, etc. You can't stop technology. Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #69

There used to be 100,000 telephone operators in the US Jose Garcia Dec 2019 #120

You may want to check out the article in the post linked below redqueen Dec 2019 #126

I heard from a truck driver there are more immediate problems JonLP24 Dec 2019 #142

Trucking is having a hard year ripcord Dec 2019 #162

+1000 Anon-C Dec 2019 #202

As someone who has been a truck driver for most of my adult life, allow me to fill in the blanks.... A HERETIC I AM Dec 2019 #163

Big #MAGA Suprise....All truck driving jobs will die in 10 years zaj Dec 2019 #6

Another social upheaval we need a strong leader to prepare for NOW, not wait for it to happen. nt Doremus Dec 2019 #9

Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #13

Agreed! Newest Reality Dec 2019 #14

Trucking companies are having a hard time finding drivers. Kaleva Dec 2019 #93

It's a hard job. Many don't realize how hard. redqueen Dec 2019 #95

How do they refuel? lame54 Dec 2019 #99

They will build a network of refiling stations zaj Dec 2019 #111

right, how do they... soryang Dec 2019 #123

I feel for Truck drivers. KentuckyWoman Dec 2019 #10

Have you seen the Frontline episode called In the age of AI? redqueen Dec 2019 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Dec 2019 #38

How is this tech any different from previous job killing tech? Yavin4 Dec 2019 #11

Probably because this only benefits corporations? At least the other tech makes ecstatic Dec 2019 #19

If you have it, a truck brought it to you Recursion Dec 2019 #58

What benefit will it have to consumers? Bettie Dec 2019 #78

Yes to both Recursion Dec 2019 #80

I disagree - the trend shows more low wage jobs. redqueen Dec 2019 #90

+1 True appalachiablue Dec 2019 #166

We don't live in a vacuum. My job has been secure ecstatic Dec 2019 #82

The jobs being created are fewer and either high or low pay. redqueen Dec 2019 #20

Panic? DiverDave Dec 2019 #49

I'd rather take my chances with computer driven cars and trucks than Yavin4 Dec 2019 #67

This is the truth of it Johnny2X2X Dec 2019 #204

Human beings cannot stop texting. Yavin4 Dec 2019 #205

I don't have to imagine what it feels like Mariana Dec 2019 #98

I am very sorry to hear DiverDave Dec 2019 #147

Opposed to a truck driven by a human? Revanchist Dec 2019 #137

Sorry to hear that. DiverDave Dec 2019 #148

She was driving straight on the highway Revanchist Dec 2019 #180

Zombie cars scare people lame54 Dec 2019 #102

I'm more afraid of... tonedevil Dec 2019 #134

I'm more afraid of New Breed Leader Dec 2019 #171

That'll be cool when the computer controlled driving software and hardware Nature Man Dec 2019 #18

The world is changing, and the speed of those chances is going to increase. redqueen Dec 2019 #26

the world has always been changing Nature Man Dec 2019 #103

What I am pointing out is the speed at which things change. redqueen Dec 2019 #108

My guess is special lanes will be built for self driving trucks over interstates and Blue_true Dec 2019 #145

Local Walmart will close safeinOhio Dec 2019 #21

*rueful laugh* redqueen Dec 2019 #25

One thing about self checkout I never had the computer have to call doc03 Dec 2019 #156

they'd never make Smokey and Bandit with driverless trucks.... RT Atlanta Dec 2019 #27

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I wonder if Amazon is investing into this? DUar17 Dec 2019 #30

I'm avoiding highways more and more Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #31

Lol, so you want no software, but your on the DU? Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #70

Lol, so you think driving and chatting are the same? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #87

I think software is everywhere, you can't avoid it. Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #91

IOW, let us welcome our new buggy overlords on the highway Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #97

40,000 traffic deaths in 2018. So that seems ok I guess. Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #100

your false dichotomy is noted Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #125

Is there a reason... tonedevil Dec 2019 #122

when the software can be proven safe as truckers, get back to me Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #127

As this article illustrates... tonedevil Dec 2019 #129

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Uhm. Having a 30 ton truck plow into a car is just slightly differen madinmaryland Dec 2019 #144

Well, 40,000 die EVERY YEAR with humans at the wheel! Get it yet? nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #146

+1. People have a false sense of what computers are, radius777 Dec 2019 #79

Lol, ok! Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #101

You may want to check out the linked episode of Frontline redqueen Dec 2019 #124

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Robocops awesomerwb1 Dec 2019 #189

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I'm 50 and I expect to see it. I give it 10 years max for trucks. redqueen Dec 2019 #41

many commercial aircraft can already take off, land and come to a stop basically unaided pangaia Dec 2019 #55

I was just coming here to say that Recursion Dec 2019 #59

Been there, done that. trof Dec 2019 #139

Wonderful story..... pangaia Dec 2019 #140

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"...in that time I see lots of "human driven car/AI Truck crashes." Mariana Dec 2019 #43

The humans The Figment Dec 2019 #44

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they probably could have gotten butter from somewhere a lot closer than California aidbo Dec 2019 #37

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First self-driving truck fatality in 3 ... 2 ... eppur_se_muova Dec 2019 #45

1.2 million road deaths every year Recursion Dec 2019 #60

+1000, amazing how people don't get this! Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #72

Apparently you are... lame54 Dec 2019 #104

Not from a long-haul truck Recursion Dec 2019 #106

False... lame54 Dec 2019 #110

You mean the woman who dived out in front of the car? (nt) Recursion Dec 2019 #114

No... lame54 Dec 2019 #117

I think it's the one you're talking about. (nt) Recursion Dec 2019 #118

It's definitely not... lame54 Dec 2019 #119

That one is on Arizona JonLP24 Dec 2019 #143

Link to that story, please? nt. Mariana Dec 2019 #133

Actually... lame54 Dec 2019 #135

Great, but I think they can make butter in damn Pennsylvania. nt greyl Dec 2019 #46

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Precisely Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #52

What will all those people who thresh wheat every fall do? Recursion Dec 2019 #61

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The people that live in the cities will now be replaced by the democratisphere Dec 2019 #68

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Key word is "transition." It can be a smooth one or, with corporatists in charge, Doremus Dec 2019 #88

Here's my favorite take on this. redqueen Dec 2019 #96

Bingo Recursion Dec 2019 #109

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I disagree that protests are the best method. redqueen Dec 2019 #132

I'd like to learn more about Yang and his platform. Doremus Dec 2019 #177

He is, yes. Obama did talk about it though! (video below) redqueen Dec 2019 #179

Not sure if you saw these - redqueen Dec 2019 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Dec 2019 #65

You realize throughout history this has happened? Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #73

Not like THIS! democratisphere Dec 2019 #75

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The sooner you realize everything is a scam Nature Man Dec 2019 #112

What does that mean? redqueen Dec 2019 #128

Sure. Let's just ignore THIS as all of the jobs dwindle away. democratisphere Dec 2019 #130

It's a big club Nature Man Dec 2019 #138

And how long would it have taken PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2019 #53

Unfortunately, Burt Reynolds and Jerry Reed are no longer available. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2019 #81

Yep, if I was a truck driver I would already be looking for a career change... cbdo2007 Dec 2019 #83

This topic never fails to Starseer Dec 2019 #115

Mad Max IV, starring...starring...um...uhh... VOX Dec 2019 #141

Insane!! After the first horrendous accident - The first gigantic lawsuit will stop this! ElementaryPenguin Dec 2019 #149

Actually it won't. redqueen Dec 2019 #164

Lumpers, yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2019 #150

How nice. DFW Dec 2019 #151

But you feel safe with 40,000 human drivers deaths a year! Hmmmm. Nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #161

Nice try DFW Dec 2019 #167

The thing is, it doesn't matter whether you want to or not. redqueen Dec 2019 #170

Bullshit New Breed Leader Dec 2019 #174

It has to happen. It's just a matter of when. Will we be proactive, redqueen Dec 2019 #176

Some things will be automated. Some will not. DFW Dec 2019 #178

It's not my line of work to do so. redqueen Dec 2019 #181

My job has analytical skills and people skills, and both are equally necessary DFW Dec 2019 #187

Sure there will be accidents and deaths..... USALiberal Dec 2019 #173

No. New Breed Leader Dec 2019 #175

True, which is why we need leaders to start addressing this issue. redqueen Dec 2019 #182

People missed horse and buggy's too, and full service gas stations and I guess ATMs were evil too! n USALiberal Dec 2019 #191

Nah, you're being disingenous, but that's ok New Breed Leader Dec 2019 #197

Nice try! nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #199

Same to you. nt New Breed Leader Dec 2019 #207

I'm still waiting for when people are willing to fly in unmanned drone 747s. DFW Dec 2019 #185

One thing about a self driving vehicle a computer is not doc03 Dec 2019 #152

I wonder if truck driver will have jobs in 10 yrs. Joe941 Dec 2019 #160

It wasn't stopped when luddites tried and it won't now either. redqueen Dec 2019 #165

"Far fewer " isn't good enough. Nt New Breed Leader Dec 2019 #168

Neither are all these gig jobs and part-time jobs. redqueen Dec 2019 #169

This is going to be a huge and positive change for this country. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #172

I heard a great report on NPR this week about long-haul trucking... The Valley Below Dec 2019 #183

Great matt819 Dec 2019 #184

No, we are simply undergoing the completely predictable results of technological advancement. redqueen Dec 2019 #188

There is zero chance autonomous self-driving trucks or cars will happen, at least before strong AI. gulliver Dec 2019 #186

They will have a human driver able to monitor and link to trucks remotely. redqueen Dec 2019 #190

Zero chance of that. gulliver Dec 2019 #195

The software is further along than you think. redqueen Dec 2019 #198

It will no doubt happen soon, 5-10 years. nt USALiberal Dec 2019 #196