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H2O Man

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Tue Dec 17, 2019, 12:16 PM Dec 2019

Speaking of the Unspeakable [View all]

“The world is full of great criminals with enormous power, and they are in a death struggle with each other. It is a huge gang battle, using well-meaning lawyers and policemen and clergymen as their front, controlling papers, means of communication, and enrolling everybody in their armies.”
Thomas Merton; November 17, 1962



Yesterday morning, I started an essay on the two situations that resulted in failed efforts by House republicans to impeach President Truman. This marked the actual dawn of the modern impeachment era, often mistakenly assigned to Nixon's presidency. However, as I was writing, I had numerous phone calls, e-mails, and texts on a couple other related topics, which resulted in my setting the original theme aside for the time being.

Most of the people I spoke with were experiencing a combination of excitement and anxiety about tomorrow's scheduled vote to impeach Trump. How would the republicans attempt to disrupt the vote? I suspect we have already witnessed their mode of disruption. Will “at risk for re-election” Democrats vote to impeach? In our district, the communications I've had in the last 24 hours confirm our Representative is solid.

Still others express concerns about the pretrial statements from various republican leaders in the Senate. As “jurors,” it is obviously wrong for them to say they will vote against conviction before the trial. Clearly, no prospective juror would be seated in either a criminal or civil trial if they made similar statements. It would seem that U.S. Senators should be held to a similar standard. Is it really too much to ask of them?

I've noted before that some republicans, including Lindsey Graham, have been suggesting that the Senate compromise and agree to censure Trump. This should come as no surprise, as Graham has a long history of totally compromising his values. So much so that one could rightly ask if, at long last, he has any values? I think not. Thus, I'd suggest that the republican stance of “don't confuse me with facts, as my mind is made up” is the type of pretrial negotiating that defense lawyers do. Surely, Graham views himself as Trump's deense lawyer, attempting to cut a deal.

At this point, there appear to be at least four – possibly as many as seven – republican Senators who would like to hear from those closest to Trump during the Ukraine scandal. There are four administration officials that the Democrats are intent upon having testify. While all are important, there is general agreement that John Bolton is the most important. Keep in mind Bolton's attorney has said that there is much more that Bolton knows that hasn't been uncovered.

People were also discussing the two Articles of Impeachment. Should there have been more? My response remains the same as the day the Articles were made public: while I might have wanted more, I have 100% confidence in the Democratic leadership and their legal team. I am fully satisfied that they reached the correct decision.

Tomorrow will be a historic day. I look forward to talking with family and friends – I just had a call from a relative as I was writing this – as well as communicating with others on the internet. Perhaps most of all, I look forward to participating with people on this forum!

What to do between now and then, and in the time before the Senate trial? I know that I'll be reading and re-reading books on impeachment. Also, I'll be reading the works of a variety of men and women who spoke about living through intense eras of history. Indeed, I was happy yesterday to engage in a conversation that one of my nephews began yesterday, that included myself and two others, regarding Thomas Merton.

Enjoy the next 48 hours.
H2O Man

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Speaking of the Unspeakable [View all] H2O Man Dec 2019 OP
Thanks for your wisdom and clear words, my dear H20 Man. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2019 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2019 #4
Merton was a great mind coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #2
I was hoping H2O Man Dec 2019 #5
I hope we will prevail coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #10
Bolton is an H2O Man Dec 2019 #17
The Seven Story Mountain is one of my favorite books to reread. AJT Dec 2019 #3
Great book! H2O Man Dec 2019 #6
Recommended kentuck Dec 2019 #7
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2019 #11
I think Bolton's "hand grenade" comment was in reference to what Rudy said this morning... kentuck Dec 2019 #14
Right. H2O Man Dec 2019 #15
Yesterday, someone on the Judiciary commented that they had plans for more witnesses.... kentuck Dec 2019 #20
Rudy's actions appear H2O Man Dec 2019 #21
I'm GLAD the Republicans are coming out and admitting they have no interest in objectivity. coti Dec 2019 #8
Definitely! H2O Man Dec 2019 #12
Watching with much interest malaise Dec 2019 #9
For sure! H2O Man Dec 2019 #13
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Dec 2019 #16
Thanks, spanone! H2O Man Dec 2019 #18
☮️ spanone Dec 2019 #19
Good food for thought, H2O Man. K&R crickets Dec 2019 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2019 #23
the two Articles are broad and deep Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #24
They are impressive. H2O Man Dec 2019 #25
K&R backtoblue Dec 2019 #26
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2019 #27
KR Me. Dec 2019 #28
Thanks, Me! H2O Man Dec 2019 #29
I think we pretty much know how the politicians will react... malthaussen Dec 2019 #30
KnR Hekate Dec 2019 #31
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