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31. Where do you get 70,000 undervotes ?

Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:19 PM

Dec 2019

According to the Wayne County election results on their website, there were 19,476

Ballots cast 802,195

Trump 228,993
Clinton 519,444
Johnson 18,801
Castle 1,718
Stein 7,784
Soltysik 437
Write In 5542

Total # of votes for President =782,476

That makes 19,476 undervotes. Write In votes in Michigan are ONLY counted if the candidate pre registers as a "Write In" Therefore any votes for Bernie Sanders, Elvis, Mickey Mouse, Beyoncé, Kid Rock, or Lady Gaga are recorded as undervotes. Given the popularity of Sanders, it would stand to reason that most of these undervotes were likely write in votes for Sanders, but since they are not counted no one can say for sure.

2012 for comparison

Ballots cast 822,575

Romney 213,814
Obama 595,846
Goode 1830
Stein 2732
Anderson 692
Write In 3,206

Total # of votes for President = 818,140

A couple observations;

1) Turnout in 2016 was down approx. 20,000 compared to 2012.

2) 3rd party votes were substantially higher in 2016 with 29,000 compared to only 5,250 in 2012

https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/november-8-2016-general.aspx

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Strong circumstantial evidence says vote totals were altered in 2016 (but few will admit it). [View all] triron Dec 2019 OP

I have believed it from day 1. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #1

Me too. maryallen Dec 2019 #8

Yeppers. catrose Dec 2019 #28

I'm with you. llmart Dec 2019 #64

I wonder if we'll ever know for sure? n/t napi21 Dec 2019 #2

I have long suspected that the meeting Feinstein and Grassley emerged from looking visibly onecaliberal Dec 2019 #11

I also have had a strong feelin that they have Zoonart Dec 2019 #29

"They will only say they cannot confirm that fact." - false. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #3

Yes, it certainly doesn't exhibit credibility when "countable" states falsehoods in their story. PSPS Dec 2019 #9

If the hackers did not change election results Turbineguy Dec 2019 #4

I am pretty confident they did. Lexee Dec 2019 #5

Not really --Each side knows only one side karynnj Dec 2019 #36

I'm remembering the story of Diebold, who manufactures voting machines, regularly CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #6

I have also been convinced of it since day 1, pnwest Dec 2019 #7

I have, too. CozyMystery Dec 2019 #19

The polls did not lie Aquaria Dec 2019 #20

After Bush vs. Gore and then Kerry they said people were not admitting to voting for Bush. Also Pepsidog Dec 2019 #42

Thank you for explaining that. nt CozyMystery Dec 2019 #71

It also happened in 2004 ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #25

Why electronic voting is a bad idea... ret5hd Dec 2019 #26

It did. Remember Ohio, 2004 DFW Dec 2019 #30

I sure remember that - and this article by Greg Palast: Kerry Won. Here Are the Facts Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #40

Don't forget 2012 when Karl Rove was smugly declaring that Ohio would go to Romney dflprincess Dec 2019 #45

Non auditable paperless electronic voting machines..?? aeromanKC Dec 2019 #10

Wayne County Michigan Had Like 70,000 Undervotes DallasNE Dec 2019 #12

Where do you get 70,000 undervotes ? MichMan Dec 2019 #31

Don't Have The Old Data At Hand DallasNE Dec 2019 #49

You said 70,000 were on one county alone MichMan Dec 2019 #50

Here You Go DallasNE Dec 2019 #56

Detroit is in Wayne County MichMan Dec 2019 #60

I Don't Know Michigan Law DallasNE Dec 2019 #65

In Michigan it is a three person commission composed of three elected officials MichMan Dec 2019 #67

Thank you for your genuine arguments. No matter what there will be persistent naysayers. triron Dec 2019 #68

Of course the votes were switched Botany Dec 2019 #13

I predict the naysayers are coming soon. triron Dec 2019 #32

a lot of them are troll bots .... Botany Dec 2019 #35

Not by the exit polls -- she was winning in polls before the election karynnj Dec 2019 #37

more of the same stopdiggin Dec 2019 #14

Follow Greg Palast LittleGirl Dec 2019 #15

The Russians did not need to alter votes because the GOP already had done it. Ford_Prefect Dec 2019 #16

that's the trouble with electrons -- people can't see 'em ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #17

The elections were stolen malaise Dec 2019 #18

LOL! Nahhhhh. The Russians infiltrated multiple states' voting systems, but all they Squinch Dec 2019 #21

That's the conclusion I came to. nt Ilsa Dec 2019 #62

Article is from July, 2018. The Root updated it a few days later: sl8 Dec 2019 #22

They were threatened. triron Dec 2019 #33

What evidence is there for that? n/t sl8 Dec 2019 #38

Gatekeepers not liking this story. Kingofalldems Dec 2019 #23

This is precisely why I fear another Trump Victory sellitman Dec 2019 #24

There was vote alterations in many of the states, counties, districts Iliyah Dec 2019 #27

I believe they did hack voter counts in 2016. So why the cover-up? YOHABLO Dec 2019 #34

Proabably one of those "for the good of the country" cover ups. dflprincess Dec 2019 #47

We need to understand that Russians are the best coders in the world FakeNoose Dec 2019 #39

I never understood why the press and Democrats were so Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #41

Don't you think they won't concede ther might be a problem with vote tampering because they may napi21 Dec 2019 #43

I guess. But anyone with half a brain should be able to Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #46

I suspect this is why Trump and his Little Eichmanns are fearless about 2020. n/t TheFourthMind Dec 2019 #44

Exactly. All preordained. And trump has a mighty Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #48

I suspect any Russian hack was in place before 2016. Just needed the right candidate. TheFourthMind Dec 2019 #54

You bet! triron Dec 2019 #57

"Few wil admit it" brooklynite Dec 2019 #51

Wondering JT45242 Dec 2019 #52

I think this is what Trump and Stone know Baked Potato Dec 2019 #53

Was there always a third party candidate that seemed to get way more votes than expected rainy Dec 2019 #55

She is definitely a candidate. triron Dec 2019 #58

Article tries (with little success) to conflate supposition with established proof stopdiggin Dec 2019 #59

The GOP's been doing it since Bush - so it stands to reason they'd let Russians (& Isrealis) in too sandensea Dec 2019 #61

This has been known for years. It's really not news. Joe941 Dec 2019 #63

knr triron Dec 2019 #66

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