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karynnj

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37. Not by the exit polls -- she was winning in polls before the election
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 04:57 PM
Dec 2019

Campaigns get exit polls on election day. In fact, after 2004, the networks were far more hesitant to show the exit poll results or to base predictions on them. Now, they tend to be used more for after the fact demographic analysis and analysis like finding in 2016 that the people who disliked both HRC and Trump, broke for Trump.

In 2016, we went into town to join the Democrats in Burlington to see the results. The first hint that my husband and I had that it was not going to be good was between 7:30 and 8:00, we saw Madelyn Kunen, the former governor of Vermont. We know her reasonably well and were surprised that she looked stunned and extremely unhappy. She had her coat on and was leaving. This was before the 8:00 results, where other than the sure thing states, were too close to call. From the news feed, we could see it was not going to be the landslide for HRC that some expected.

Later, we heard the stories told by the HRC insiders. Early in the day, they were concerned with some turnout numbers. As the results came in - and they saw where they were from, they were increasingly seeing bad news.

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I have believed it from day 1. onecaliberal Dec 2019 #1
Me too. maryallen Dec 2019 #8
Yeppers. catrose Dec 2019 #28
I'm with you. llmart Dec 2019 #64
I wonder if we'll ever know for sure? n/t napi21 Dec 2019 #2
I have long suspected that the meeting Feinstein and Grassley emerged from looking visibly onecaliberal Dec 2019 #11
I also have had a strong feelin that they have Zoonart Dec 2019 #29
"They will only say they cannot confirm that fact." - false. TwilightZone Dec 2019 #3
Yes, it certainly doesn't exhibit credibility when "countable" states falsehoods in their story. PSPS Dec 2019 #9
If the hackers did not change election results Turbineguy Dec 2019 #4
I am pretty confident they did. Lexee Dec 2019 #5
Not really --Each side knows only one side karynnj Dec 2019 #36
I'm remembering the story of Diebold, who manufactures voting machines, regularly CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #6
I have also been convinced of it since day 1, pnwest Dec 2019 #7
I have, too. CozyMystery Dec 2019 #19
The polls did not lie Aquaria Dec 2019 #20
After Bush vs. Gore and then Kerry they said people were not admitting to voting for Bush. Also Pepsidog Dec 2019 #42
Thank you for explaining that. nt CozyMystery Dec 2019 #71
It also happened in 2004 ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #25
Why electronic voting is a bad idea... ret5hd Dec 2019 #26
It did. Remember Ohio, 2004 DFW Dec 2019 #30
I sure remember that - and this article by Greg Palast: Kerry Won. Here Are the Facts Rhiannon12866 Dec 2019 #40
Don't forget 2012 when Karl Rove was smugly declaring that Ohio would go to Romney dflprincess Dec 2019 #45
Non auditable paperless electronic voting machines..?? aeromanKC Dec 2019 #10
Wayne County Michigan Had Like 70,000 Undervotes DallasNE Dec 2019 #12
Where do you get 70,000 undervotes ? MichMan Dec 2019 #31
Don't Have The Old Data At Hand DallasNE Dec 2019 #49
You said 70,000 were on one county alone MichMan Dec 2019 #50
Here You Go DallasNE Dec 2019 #56
Detroit is in Wayne County MichMan Dec 2019 #60
I Don't Know Michigan Law DallasNE Dec 2019 #65
In Michigan it is a three person commission composed of three elected officials MichMan Dec 2019 #67
Thank you for your genuine arguments. No matter what there will be persistent naysayers. triron Dec 2019 #68
Of course the votes were switched Botany Dec 2019 #13
I predict the naysayers are coming soon. triron Dec 2019 #32
a lot of them are troll bots .... Botany Dec 2019 #35
Not by the exit polls -- she was winning in polls before the election karynnj Dec 2019 #37
more of the same stopdiggin Dec 2019 #14
Follow Greg Palast LittleGirl Dec 2019 #15
The Russians did not need to alter votes because the GOP already had done it. Ford_Prefect Dec 2019 #16
that's the trouble with electrons -- people can't see 'em ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #17
The elections were stolen malaise Dec 2019 #18
LOL! Nahhhhh. The Russians infiltrated multiple states' voting systems, but all they Squinch Dec 2019 #21
That's the conclusion I came to. nt Ilsa Dec 2019 #62
Article is from July, 2018. The Root updated it a few days later: sl8 Dec 2019 #22
They were threatened. triron Dec 2019 #33
What evidence is there for that? n/t sl8 Dec 2019 #38
Gatekeepers not liking this story. Kingofalldems Dec 2019 #23
This is precisely why I fear another Trump Victory sellitman Dec 2019 #24
There was vote alterations in many of the states, counties, districts Iliyah Dec 2019 #27
I believe they did hack voter counts in 2016. So why the cover-up? YOHABLO Dec 2019 #34
Proabably one of those "for the good of the country" cover ups. dflprincess Dec 2019 #47
We need to understand that Russians are the best coders in the world FakeNoose Dec 2019 #39
I never understood why the press and Democrats were so Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #41
Don't you think they won't concede ther might be a problem with vote tampering because they may napi21 Dec 2019 #43
I guess. But anyone with half a brain should be able to Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #46
I suspect this is why Trump and his Little Eichmanns are fearless about 2020. n/t TheFourthMind Dec 2019 #44
Exactly. All preordained. And trump has a mighty Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2019 #48
I suspect any Russian hack was in place before 2016. Just needed the right candidate. TheFourthMind Dec 2019 #54
You bet! triron Dec 2019 #57
"Few wil admit it" brooklynite Dec 2019 #51
Wondering JT45242 Dec 2019 #52
I think this is what Trump and Stone know Baked Potato Dec 2019 #53
Was there always a third party candidate that seemed to get way more votes than expected rainy Dec 2019 #55
She is definitely a candidate. triron Dec 2019 #58
Article tries (with little success) to conflate supposition with established proof stopdiggin Dec 2019 #59
The GOP's been doing it since Bush - so it stands to reason they'd let Russians (& Isrealis) in too sandensea Dec 2019 #61
This has been known for years. It's really not news. Joe941 Dec 2019 #63
knr triron Dec 2019 #66
kick for visibility triron Dec 2019 #69
kick for visibility triron Dec 2019 #70
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