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36. Our Constitution contains the Bill of Rights. ...

Wed Dec 25, 2019, 10:54 PM

Dec 2019

The Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights states:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

We constantly argue over the meaning of these words but it could be argued that legislation that is passed by a state has to comply with the Constitution and the amendments to that document. A state for example can’t totally do away with freedom of speech or religion as covered by the First Amendment. Disagreements over laws that may violate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are often settled by the Supreme Court. That’s were I see the legality of this legislation will be determined.

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Governor Northam owes it to Democratic voters of Virginia to enforce the law. [View all] jcmaine72 Dec 2019 OP

Do you feel the same way regarding sanctuary cities for undocumented immigrants? MichMan Dec 2019 #1

Brave question....I'm betting there won't be an answer...there will be a jury but no answer. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #4

How is making a false equivalency "brave"? jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #10

Nothing "false" equivalency about it...you don't want to answer it AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #16

You raise a fair point! at140 Dec 2019 #27

lately, it seems, a lot of effort is made picking fights CatWoman Dec 2019 #18

People who came here for a better life are not as concerning as ignorant white wing gun-humpers. Hoyt Dec 2019 #29

you make a good point stopdiggin Dec 2019 #5

Apples and oranges. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #9

Are you saying individuals can decide which laws they will obey based on at140 Dec 2019 #28

Is that what I wrote? jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #35

I read your post again and, at140 Dec 2019 #39

Thank you. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #45

Our Constitution contains the Bill of Rights. ... spin Dec 2019 #36

You're talking about asking local officials to enforce federal laws. NYC Liberal Dec 2019 #11

The 2nd A is Constitutional,(shh,Supremacy Clause)..the local officers appear.. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #15

And, sssshhhhh, the states have the right to write rules ... marble falls Dec 2019 #19

There's a difference between "not violating the law" and "enforcing it". NYC Liberal Dec 2019 #46

Since when have local police had the right Sewa Dec 2019 #54

They are not state officials. former9thward Dec 2019 #32

I don't live in Virginia but instead in Florida. ... spin Dec 2019 #2

Someone who feels the need to bury guns and ammunition Bettie Dec 2019 #65

Such people seem to have a bleak view of the future of our nation. (n/t) spin Dec 2019 #74

Conservatives will always be with us, no matter what happens Hortensis Dec 2019 #3

" This is still a democracy"...no not really. We have to stop that fallacy. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #7

If you don't vote, why are you here? Hortensis Dec 2019 #8

I do vote....every election....I just voted for a Dog Warden last month. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #13

What is your point with that?????? marble falls Dec 2019 #20

They are breaking the law...thus crimiinalized themselves...as for sanctuary cities...that is quite Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #72

Those "Gun Sanctuaries" are full of people that have never comitted a crime. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #6

1041 gun deaths in Virginia 2018 Sewa Dec 2019 #12

1500 died from drug OD's in the same yr..almost 1/3rd more than from guns AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #14

My point was quite clear Sewa Dec 2019 #17

Didn't change crap or subject...I'll ask again..what's your point? AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #24

And its also true that there are more drug users than gun owners ... marble falls Dec 2019 #21

Except for...the prefatory clause doesn't eliminate the operative clause of the 2nd AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #25

Sure there is. The right to the pursuit of happiness ... marble falls Dec 2019 #40

Agree, public safety trumps the individual's rights onetexan Dec 2019 #57

And probably many of those gun deaths are not in the sanctuary areas. Kaleva Dec 2019 #22

Right?? The vast majority aren't. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #26

No, but the guns causing such deaths in non-sanctuary areas come from somewhere, right? jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #52

Detroit and the surrounding suburbs have about 30+ gun shops Kaleva Dec 2019 #61

Full of people like this, and you know it. Hoyt Dec 2019 #30

Throughout the years I have known a lot of gun owners. ... spin Dec 2019 #33

No they are not, majority of gun-strokers are GOPers and a bunch are like this beloved killer -- Hoyt Dec 2019 #34

I suspect you don't really know many gun owners. ... spin Dec 2019 #38

You had me till "Florida". I live in rural Texas and I've owned firearms ... marble falls Dec 2019 #41

What generalization are you referring to? ... spin Dec 2019 #47

These two ... marble falls Dec 2019 #51

In my experience most people I worked with before I retired ... spin Dec 2019 #55

Good post! I am a gun owner and at140 Dec 2019 #42

Thanks for your support. (n/t) spin Dec 2019 #48

George Zman said the same thing, right before he stormed out after arguing Hoyt Dec 2019 #50

People get attacked on the street. ... spin Dec 2019 #56

I am much different than Zman...for several reasons at140 Dec 2019 #62

Non-toters, those not attracted to assault style weapons, a gun or two, etc., are not big concern. Hoyt Dec 2019 #64

Thank you, a 9mm is adequate at140 Dec 2019 #69

I've shot more gunz than most, but grew up. Been to gun shows, stores, ranges, Hoyt Dec 2019 #49

There's certainly plenty of those types hee-hawing their way through jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #37

Sheriffs are elected officials and they'll probably be voted out if they enforce the law. Kaleva Dec 2019 #23

So they're there to be re-elected and screw any inconveniant law. marble falls Dec 2019 #44

If that's what the voters want, that's what will happen. Kaleva Dec 2019 #60

These '2nd Amendment' sanctuaries are a Hal Turner pet project PghTiny Dec 2019 #31

I haven't heard that name in long time. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #43

The problem Northam has Ex Lurker Dec 2019 #53

I hate to break it to you, but many gun deaths are in RVA. 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #58

Well, I hate to break this to you, but the guns causing those deaths certainly are. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #59

The source is not as cut and dried as you make it for simplicity's sake. 58Sunliner Dec 2019 #75

I never wrote there are thousands of gunsmiths manufacturing street guns. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #76

Uh oh, looks like the excrement with arms and legs at Discussionist are stirred up by your post too. hadEnuf Dec 2019 #63

Looks like they are not getting what they hoped Kaleva Dec 2019 #66

They seem genuinely shocked by the fact that, unlike DI, a diverse array of opinions are shared here jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #68

True. Great thing about DU is that vigourous debate, within the rules, can happen here. Kaleva Dec 2019 #70

Absolutely! The contrast couldn't be greater. jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #71

Who cares what those brainless DImwits think? jcmaine72 Dec 2019 #67

No one really cares. hadEnuf Dec 2019 #73