Did people vote for Trump or against Hillary?

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18. Meaningless question. Putin won. Democrats lost.

Clinton, like Gore won the popular vote.

Just as in 2000 we, as a party were unprepared for the dirty tricks.

By 2016 we had 8 years in office at the highest level and in those 8 years approximately, we lost 1000 Democratic seats around the country. We got gerrymandered following our 2010 losses. Facebook was not out our friend in 2016 (and inexplicably many Democrats still rely on that business for "news."

The Democratic Party was relatively robust going into 2008, we were extremely weakened going into 2016 and had not been able to get much legislation passed, or judges appointed.

In 2009 ACA was passed ( a great leap forward) and then the Republican counter attack, tea party and such, began. Scott Walker was elected governor of Wisconsin in 2010-he even survived a recall election and then got elected governor for a second term.

If Democrats are willing to support congressional and state candidates in presidential off-years we become strong-that is the lesson of 2018 also. Otherwise we are weak.

Image if we had Gore as president, or even if we had insisted on keeping him and his signature cause in the spotlight? What if we fought hard against the Clinton "demonization of 20 years."

Instead we let the Republican rabble take their potshots and them were try to focus on "new' candidates. It is now way to run a party or build the movement that is going to be needed to survive as a democracy with the mess we are in.

The present and the future are not about one office, one candidate and never were. It is about strength in numbers and staying focused, and not giving in to prejudice.





In 2016 did not even have a clue about Russian interference except for what Clinton told us, along with some former CIA types who did their best to sound the alarm.

The party has taken some measures now to improve things but there is still an unwillingness among many to squarely face how the Republican party managed to snatch victory from the jaws of their defeat.

Our country is not going to be safe for democracy for awhile-just electing a democrat to the presidency is not going to get us out of danger.