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kurtcagle

(2,027 posts)
27. The distinction here is important
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 05:22 AM
Jan 2020

The closest analogy that I can give would be if Donald Rumsfeld, while Secretary of Defense, had been deliberately assassinated by an Iranian missile while in Iraq. Rumsfeld, it could be argued, caused the death of hundreds of thousands of people, some Iranian. He could be labeled an American terrorist by the Iranians. Personally, I wouldn't have missed him. However, because Rumsfeld was a senior representative of the United States, his death would have been considered by international convention an attack upon the United States, and most of the global community would have come to the defense of the US (albeit reluctantly).

This is one reason that diplomats enjoy diplomatic immunity - they are considered to be representatives of their respective countries. What Trump did was a deliberate attack by the United States upon Iran. This was made even worse because Trump unilaterally abrogated a peace treaty that both the US and Iran had signed. There is no question that the US is the aggressor here.

What may very well happen because of this is that countries around the world will start treating the United States like a rogue state incapable of keeping its word. Its credit rating will continue to decline because countries will conclude that it is too likely to become aggressive. Its moral authority will also continue to erode. Trump's little stunt will all but guarantee that we will be in a recession by the end of this year, and this is even before we start considering the fact that as a country we are not ready for the kind of asymmetric warfare that is about to descend.

Let this moment sink in. [View all] RandySF Jan 2020 OP
Is anyone surprised? Hell NO! BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #1
I'm not, an this needs to be resisted Volaris Jan 2020 #15
Nope lots of folks saw it coming. Trump's desperate. A rat backed into a corner. rockfordfile Jan 2020 #42
No attempted to it, he has done it. Captain Zero Jan 2020 #2
With no congressional permission. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #3
That might be gone forever. n/t Harker Jan 2020 #5
Yep. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #7
Oh, boy, another useless war brought to you by the Repugs as usual. rickyhall Jan 2020 #4
It's a proud GOP tradition. n/t TygrBright Jan 2020 #6
Yup, it's gonna get ugly. Initech Jan 2020 #8
Since he failed in getting dirt on Biden vapor2 Jan 2020 #9
This was an assassination! SCVDem Jan 2020 #10
I'm sorry greytdemocrat Jan 2020 #11
Iran is a sovereign country so you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #16
But it was on Iraq soil. Lexee Jan 2020 #20
Khashoggi was murdered in Turkey. Are the Saudi's any less responsible? herding cats Jan 2020 #23
Thanks for that information. I didn't know that he was there with Iraq ok. Lexee Jan 2020 #24
Thank you for your kind words. herding cats Jan 2020 #25
I hear you. Lexee Jan 2020 #26
Iraqi PM says U.S. killing of Iranian commander will 'light the fuse' of war muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #28
Do you think the Iraqis were asked? dawg day Jan 2020 #35
True. But it's not our place, nor our right to have done this. herding cats Jan 2020 #18
Don't have to like a guy to call a political ploy for what it is. RandySF Jan 2020 #19
The distinction here is important kurtcagle Jan 2020 #27
K&R. Thanks for those clear, factual perspectives. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2020 #32
As usual RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #33
Trump is desperate. this was clearly attempt to change the impeachment narrative. rockfordfile Jan 2020 #41
Yup. And the media refuses to make that point, KPN Jan 2020 #12
Fodder... czarjak Jan 2020 #13
doing the exact same thing he claimed Obama would do Skittles Jan 2020 #14
Exactly! smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #46
"He's gonna shake up the system, y'all!!" Grokenstein Jan 2020 #17
Oh, yeah not fooled Jan 2020 #21
We have to destroy the village to save it. sarge43 Jan 2020 #40
Actually, it surprises me a lot. Doreen Jan 2020 #22
WTF!! TIME TO INVOKE THE 25TH AMENDMENT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #29
His visit to Iraq was just days after his impeachment malaise Jan 2020 #30
Pence won't do it... dawg day Jan 2020 #36
I have wondered about their eligibility murielm99 Jan 2020 #47
Happy to know there are still people here who can see this for what it really is. Jamastiene Jan 2020 #31
How long before 45 starts in with the "I'm a war president" bullshit? VOX Jan 2020 #34
It worked for bush. femmocrat Jan 2020 #37
It was always his backup plan Stargleamer Jan 2020 #38
This is a Great Reason to Support IMPEACHMENT!!! McKim Jan 2020 #39
K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Jan 2020 #43
A Pompeo said, there was an imminent threat. bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #44
Well said...K and R nt Stuart G Jan 2020 #45
It is so obvious he did it to get impeachment off the news kimbutgar Jan 2020 #48
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