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115. Men definitely face different issues here than women

Thu Sep 6, 2012, 11:51 AM

Sep 2012

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particularly since any of our behaviors can be interpreted wildly differently depending on who is observing them.

A guy who isn't talkative can either be shy, or mysterious, or a creepy loner (probably a rapist).

A guy who is outgoing and personable can be charming, or fun, or an overly aggressive jerk (probably a rapist).

A guy who is clumsy but tries can either be cute, endearing, or a 'creeper' (probably a rapist).

Certain behaviors may be obviously wrong to certain women (and no I'm not talking about violence or harassment, just hitting on people when they don't want it) but they aren't always so obvious to men particularly because since there is no standard. Being any of those three things I described can either be successful, or be unsuccessful or be unsuccessful and get you labeled a deviant.

Given that the alternative is dying alone I'm not sure what we're supposed to do.

/one person on here did suggest that the only acceptable times to express attraction to a woman was either A) at bar events set up explicitly for singles or B) after your mutual friends had set you up. Attempting to hit on a woman at any other time was creepy and smacked of rapist/serial killer. I . . . didn't care for that restriction.

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Most women have no idea what it's like to be a man on a daily basis either. [View all] Locut0s Sep 2012 OP

zippers, for intance, are MUCH scarier!!! DonRedwood Sep 2012 #1

rofl depends but i get what you mean. loli phabay Sep 2012 #3

LOL. Ok. I can say I've honestly only had that experience once. And NEVER want to again. nt ;) Locut0s Sep 2012 #7

2nd grade. my teacher mrs williams had to unzip me. I cried and cried and cried DonRedwood Sep 2012 #34

rofl i have a similar tale, also a few times when hammered and having someone else unzip lol loli phabay Sep 2012 #36

You learn real quick after the first time. NT ballabosh Sep 2012 #72

plus when I was like 6 I had a tick on the end of my penis snooper2 Sep 2012 #129

I was stung by a hornet on my penis when I was about two. Codeine Sep 2012 #143

A subthread of penis stories would be classic LOL, everyone please add their own snooper2 Sep 2012 #153

okay theres the time when drunk that i leaned across the table not realising my tackle was in the dr loli phabay Sep 2012 #172

problem is people broadbrush each other, each person is different with all the mess that comes with loli phabay Sep 2012 #2

... opiate69 Sep 2012 #4

it lacks punctuation CountAllVotes Sep 2012 #6

lol challenger forward loli phabay Sep 2012 #9

You seem to see things through one- digonswine Sep 2012 #5

Well like I said perhaps my specific set of circumstances... Locut0s Sep 2012 #12

I suppose it would- digonswine Sep 2012 #16

There are some very loud voices here at DU, hifiguy Sep 2012 #53

I agree- digonswine Sep 2012 #58

link please. i continually hear a few of you men say ridiculous things that are not close seabeyond Sep 2012 #103

That you, of all people, would dare to ask hifiguy Sep 2012 #110

ya... no link. gotcha. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #121

You rock! nt raccoon Sep 2012 #125

Can I get an amen?!? nt EOTE Sep 2012 #122

I've been told 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #126

That has been my universal experience in the past. hifiguy Sep 2012 #131

looking vs leering, a complicated art snooper2 Sep 2012 #133

I have zero tolerance for the biology defense. tjdee Sep 2012 #8

Where did I say defense? In fact I repeatedly said I was NOT defending... Locut0s Sep 2012 #18

Of course you were not defending them. But you did NOT EXPECT THE INQUISITION, did you? Zalatix Sep 2012 #41

nobody expects the.... eom yawnmaster Sep 2012 #43

from the time a child communicates boys learn to look and girls learn to pose. seabeyond Sep 2012 #64

Yeah, and fundys are "opposed" to Darwin. hifiguy Sep 2012 #68

also doesnt make cultlike evo psych story telling true, either. Consider the company you are keeping seabeyond Sep 2012 #74

I call bull. hifiguy Sep 2012 #84

Do you believe any biological differences exist between males/females 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #118

LOL, my daughter was posing with paint all over her face a couple days ago snooper2 Sep 2012 #137

my boys still pose for a camera.... that is really not what i am talking about though seabeyond Sep 2012 #138

Lol, and I love the biology! Viva La Difference! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #150

I'll admit you guys have your issues. Cleita Sep 2012 #10

All of this is why I want to see the Patriarchal system destroyed, and no *-archal system put in its Zalatix Sep 2012 #35

I don't either want a matriarchal system. Cleita Sep 2012 #39

We leverage our characteristics rrneck Sep 2012 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author Cleita Sep 2012 #11

I'm still contemplating Aerows Sep 2012 #13

I really don't think we are "wired differently" by gender. MadrasT Sep 2012 #14

im of the opinion that there are differences both in biology and mentally loli phabay Sep 2012 #15

There is nature and nurture both, but I don't think that is related to biological gender. MadrasT Sep 2012 #22

no probs with your opinion after all its just as valid as mine even if we disagree. :) loli phabay Sep 2012 #24

There we must disagree AngryAmish Sep 2012 #104

all women have much lower testosterone. why do so many want, like, have sex? seabeyond Sep 2012 #127

Nobody ever said that libido is solely driven by testosterone AngryAmish Sep 2012 #132

i hear a lot of myth presented as fact when there is no fact to substantiate the myth. seabeyond Sep 2012 #134

My friend, you have gone from point A to point WHTRBY AngryAmish Sep 2012 #139

ok. fair enough. i am not gonna try to clarify.... seabeyond Sep 2012 #140

Who said women are not sexual creatures? sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #151

"Men with low testosterone tend to be less interested in sex and more of a blah attitude." seabeyond Sep 2012 #160

That would make sense if you assumed 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #166

Why is Testosterone prescribed as a remedy for low libido? One_Life_To_Give Sep 2012 #170

Because people are socially conditioned by the Patriarchy 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #178

Depends on what you mean by wired. Our brains look the same but different hormones are at work... Locut0s Sep 2012 #17

Yes but hormone levels vary wildly MadrasT Sep 2012 #20

They vary wildly within a set range... Locut0s Sep 2012 #52

Normal levels of testosterone in women run between 10 ng/dl to 70 ng/dl Major Nikon Sep 2012 #60

I have absolutely no doubt we are wired differently. hifiguy Sep 2012 #50

No, there's plenty of evidence that biology separates the genders. Not just in humans. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #93

Scientists have found that by giving rats 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #116

Agreed Locut riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #19

yet... you are clueless how often your daughter is reacting, cause there is not the same evidence. seabeyond Sep 2012 #66

Agreed. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #82

You are freaking me out rider!!! dawg Sep 2012 #112

Are you painfully introverted? digonswine Sep 2012 #21

Not exactly, though not too far off..... Locut0s Sep 2012 #27

This woman won't have any idea until you figure out how paragraphs work. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #23

kinda mean, its definetly worth reading even if it is hard for you. loli phabay Sep 2012 #25

Insisting that adults make the effort to write correctly isn't mean. It's a fairly low standard. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #30

not knowing the posters educational level or if he has problems writing makes your post lack class loli phabay Sep 2012 #62

Discussion forums are a text based medium. People who have problems communicating in text have other LeftyMom Sep 2012 #76

as i said it shows a lack of class, but carry on loli phabay Sep 2012 #78

Learning disabilities and trouble writing/conveying messages 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #105

Or it could simply be bad grammar... LanternWaste Sep 2012 #117

Could be 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #120

If you haven't read through a paragraph of that length before than I can only surmise... Locut0s Sep 2012 #32

You don't handle constructive criticism from women well, either. LeftyMom Sep 2012 #38

Constructive criticism is generally not given in a rude or mean tone. nt Locut0s Sep 2012 #46

LeftyMom, how do you get that he can't handle constructive criticism from women? eom yawnmaster Sep 2012 #48

Because she speaks for all of womankind? Who knows... Zalatix Sep 2012 #91

What the heck is a read thought? Care Acutely Sep 2012 #42

It's like a read through only you read the other persons mind ;) Locut0s Sep 2012 #44

Sweet! I never get in on the cool stuff. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #65

It's simply a typo. n/t auntAgonist Sep 2012 #83

Yup, already handled. Thanks. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #94

I haven't been hit on for so long (comes with becoming an old fart) Curmudgeoness Sep 2012 #26

I was also full of anxiety and fear of rejection but some very kind women and girls understood upaloopa Sep 2012 #28

thats what the internet was made for, just use it as a tool to meet like minded members of the oppos loli phabay Sep 2012 #33

My response is from "The Gift of Fear": "Men fear being humiliated; women fear being murdered." WinkyDink Sep 2012 #29

Yet men are more likely to be the victim of violent crime other than rape.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #49

From other men. Your serve. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #57

Logically though men should fear murder more than women.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #59

I hope, based on my other post, that you stop equating this with women's fear of being raped. KitSileya Sep 2012 #111

That tells me absolutely nothing of the risks to men and women. KitSileya Sep 2012 #109

You just need to get laid a few times. n/t fun n serious Sep 2012 #31

I'm curious how other women on here would view this opinion... Locut0s Sep 2012 #40

in a way i agree with the post, you need to get out there and work through the issue, mayby not laid loli phabay Sep 2012 #51

Well, I'm a man but I think it's terrible advice. dawg Sep 2012 #114

You are so smart. :) redqueen Sep 2012 #130

dawg is awesome, and i think and encourage boys generation to get rid of the whole seabeyond Sep 2012 #136

When I was single I preferred to get their number rather than give mine. redqueen Sep 2012 #141

it worked well. and the girls didnt have an issue with it. i imagine it will be a life lesson for seabeyond Sep 2012 #144

I really don't follow the gender angle of the post Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2012 #37

This dx'd Aspie profoundly thanks you. hifiguy Sep 2012 #45

I'm curious. Why was this an issue in law school specifically? nt. Locut0s Sep 2012 #47

In law school the Socratic method is used. hifiguy Sep 2012 #56

Yes we do. My husband tells me everyday. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #54

Every person I've known who has done F-to-M Drag comments on how lonely it is. slampoet Sep 2012 #55

Men don't have to be just visual treestar Sep 2012 #61

I learned how true that is, and how cultural that is flamingdem Sep 2012 #75

That doesn't prove men aren't more visual it just proves that we have an unhealthy ideal... Locut0s Sep 2012 #86

have you actually ever met a guy if you think we need everything to be perfect, for most a pulse is loli phabay Sep 2012 #89

"if there's a hot chick on dancing with the stars" treestar Sep 2012 #99

Were are you getting this "have to" stuff from? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #147

Danny DeVito can get a girl treestar Sep 2012 #154

" Danny DeVito can get a girl" 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #155

Men have the advantage though treestar Sep 2012 #173

i guess youve never heard of cougars before, lets be honest if a female wants sex then its not hard loli phabay Sep 2012 #174

You seem to be basing your understanding of men 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #177

"Men are generally asexual" 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #145

Years ago Angie Dickinson, on the Carson show, hifiguy Sep 2012 #149

She knows what's she's talking about 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #156

You do care about youth, slimness, beauty treestar Sep 2012 #152

As do women 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #157

Well traditionally the men get to do the asking out treestar Sep 2012 #171

Men "get" to do the asking out 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #176

men are not more visual, it is not backed up by science. they did a questionnaire and made it fact seabeyond Sep 2012 #63

"They" who? opiate69 Sep 2012 #67

You do know better than to expect an actual answer, hifiguy Sep 2012 #69

yeah. all these DNC speeches have me in a particularly hopeful mood tonight though! opiate69 Sep 2012 #70

In my experience asking for clarification 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #107

since we are talking "scientific fact", and i am referring to study hooking up brain, THEY seabeyond Sep 2012 #71

No games.. just wanted to see a source.. opiate69 Sep 2012 #77

ah, but basing that men are more visual froma study in the 80's handing out a questionairre seabeyond Sep 2012 #80

All that says is women like porn too.. Upton Sep 2012 #79

hey seabeyond hope you are well, its not the brain that should be hooked up to the machine loli phabay Sep 2012 #90

i am gonna really blow your.... mind on this but ya, seabeyond Sep 2012 #92

lol well as you know im not the average person but i think 17 is kinda low for me loli phabay Sep 2012 #95

That study would by definition be self-reported 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #108

You contradict yourself 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #106

Is this the study? redqueen Sep 2012 #128

I did always wonder what it would be like to have to worry about flamingdem Sep 2012 #73

rofl i took your comment in a different way, not sure if you meant that if so well played loli phabay Sep 2012 #97

I think you would have had a better point if you hadn't jp11 Sep 2012 #81

Thank you for the intelligent and very nicely worded reply... Locut0s Sep 2012 #88

It can't be all about the "wiring". blue neen Sep 2012 #85

Oh by no means do I think it's all biological, but I do think it plays a large role... Locut0s Sep 2012 #87

I appreciate you sharing your story LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #96

Actually ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #98

Well said. nt redqueen Sep 2012 #119

+1 Chorophyll Sep 2012 #124

Thanks for this Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #100

K&R KansDem Sep 2012 #101

A transgendered women explained that she was glad to get rid of all the male hormones Maraya1969 Sep 2012 #113

Men definitely face different issues here than women 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #115

+1 Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #142

Don't forget another label.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #162

True. That is another way of publicly shaming men 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #164

another aspect is the animosity towards trans/cd/tv from a lot of women loli phabay Sep 2012 #175

I used to have hang ups and blamed a lot of people for not acquiescing to them LanternWaste Sep 2012 #123

Thanks for this response.... cbdo2007 Sep 2012 #135

We guys do get the upper hand tho... Taverner Sep 2012 #146

Maybe you would have better luck if you didn't see women as so different than you Nikia Sep 2012 #148

I'd say that advice cuts both ways. 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #158

I don't think that this is the same thing Nikia Sep 2012 #167

I never said 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #169

Not to be a jerk, but none of the guys on this thread speak for me! Romulox Sep 2012 #159

you made me laugh.... seabeyond Sep 2012 #163

I generally assume no one is speaking for anyone except themselves 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #165

i expect people to behave in a civilized way and unlike animals La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2012 #161

Doe Anyone Else Find This Thread Profoundly Sad? (nt) Paladin Sep 2012 #168