Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

In reply to the discussion: The Taste of Blood [View all]

wnylib

(25,915 posts)
119. Too often, the average citizen goes to war
Sat Jan 4, 2020, 11:30 PM
Jan 2020

for the goals and ambitions of the leadership and upper classes of nations. The best illustration of this was Xmas in the first year of WWI. You may be familiar with the story.

Men in the trenches on both sides were there because they were sent to war by their leaders. There was so little purpose to the fighting that their hearts were not in it. They did not hate the enemy. In some places where the enemy positions were near each other but far from fighting down the lines, Germans, French, and Brits started trading items with each other to make themselves more comfortable. Friendships across enemy lines started developing.

When Xmas Eve arrived these people of similar European cultures and a shared religion began singing Xmas carols in their own languages to each other. They traded cigarettes, drinks, and eventually a Xmas truce developed. They crossed no man's land into each other's camps, shared family pictures, names, and foods. In some places they organized soccer games.

Lower ranking officers permitted the shared celebrations and participated. Higher level officers objected but had llittle control once it got started.

I can imagine those guys, if left up to them, resolving the conflicts with a few boxing or wrestling matches and accepting the outcome.

But there was too much st stake for the national and military leaders, and the weapons dealers and manufacturers to let it end in peace so soon.

Day after Xmas, they were ordered to resume places and fighting. They reluctantly did and Europe suffered more years of war, disease, destruction, maiming, and death
.
How great it would be if opposing armies just said, "What.the hell are we doing?" and refused to fight.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

The Taste of Blood [View all] H2O Man Jan 2020 OP
K&R...⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ spanone Jan 2020 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #2
When you and I spoke several weeks ago coeur_de_lion Jan 2020 #3
Yep. H2O Man Jan 2020 #4
Recommended kentuck Jan 2020 #5
I think that H2O Man Jan 2020 #7
Maybe it was a target of opportunity? kentuck Jan 2020 #13
Have you seen the H2O Man Jan 2020 #98
I can't understand why we should feel "safer"? kentuck Jan 2020 #112
I don't H2O Man Jan 2020 #114
i met some young people like that wnylib Jan 2020 #33
My brother didn't come back alive. lunatica Jan 2020 #95
Sorry that you lost your brother. So many wnylib Jan 2020 #117
58,000 US military casualties lunatica Jan 2020 #118
Too often, the average citizen goes to war wnylib Jan 2020 #119
Your last sentence is always on my mind. lunatica Jan 2020 #120
People get "crazed" by the drumbeats of war wnylib Jan 2020 #121
Who does, these days? malthaussen Jan 2020 #56
Last night, my H2O Man Jan 2020 #58
You have the art of clarifying while keeping things simple malaise Jan 2020 #6
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #8
Many times my friend malaise Jan 2020 #16
This could escalate to nuclear bombs in twelve days. NBachers Jan 2020 #9
That is certainly H2O Man Jan 2020 #34
"...it (violence) controls them..." yonder Jan 2020 #70
I reiterate that we need a Department of Peace added to our government lunatica Jan 2020 #100
A dog and pony show Liberalhammer Jan 2020 #10
It would be H2O Man Jan 2020 #35
Mr Putin could "ally" with us... malthaussen Jan 2020 #50
Possibly. H2O Man Jan 2020 #52
Oil prices went up Liberalhammer Jan 2020 #109
Yep. H2O Man Jan 2020 #110
As bad as you say and worse: read some Trumpian projection into this bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #11
Thanks for that. H2O Man Jan 2020 #36
I believe Sting wrote a song about it. LudwigPastorius Jan 2020 #12
Very good! H2O Man Jan 2020 #37
Thank you for that! peggysue2 Jan 2020 #14
Good points! H2O Man Jan 2020 #38
Trump must be removed from office. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #15
Definitely. H2O Man Jan 2020 #39
"From Hell's heart, I stab at thee" EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #17
I love it! H2O Man Jan 2020 #40
Thank you for your life wisdom cp Jan 2020 #18
Thanks cp! H2O Man Jan 2020 #42
Yes i remember burrowowl Jan 2020 #46
An important post. dalton99a Jan 2020 #19
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #43
You are correct on all points. BarbD Jan 2020 #20
Thanks, BarbD ! H2O Man Jan 2020 #45
As you know, in boxing, a taste of blood raises adrenaline... MartyTheGreek Jan 2020 #21
That it does! H2O Man Jan 2020 #47
KnR, as always Hekate Jan 2020 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #48
I want you to know, GMTA over this morning's Los Angeles Times... Hekate Jan 2020 #113
I've been reading H2O Man Jan 2020 #115
That's what I mean. They KNOW what he is by now, & have known all along. WHY would anyone... Hekate Jan 2020 #116
Thank you, this rings so true wendyb-NC Jan 2020 #23
Thanks, wendyb-NC ! H2O Man Jan 2020 #49
'fraid so. Your analysis sounds spot-on, my friend. calimary Jan 2020 #24
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #51
And remember.... Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2020 #25
Exactly! H2O Man Jan 2020 #53
He's a psychopath thegoose Jan 2020 #26
💯 live love laugh Jan 2020 #31
"Heredity loads H2O Man Jan 2020 #54
Thank you H2o Man! Zoonart Jan 2020 #27
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #55
It's very scary right now mountain grammy Jan 2020 #28
It is a very tense H2O Man Jan 2020 #57
That's an excellent description. mountain grammy Jan 2020 #84
I hate to say it, but a "Wag The Dog" moment most certainly happened... kyburbonkid Jan 2020 #29
I agree completely. H2O Man Jan 2020 #60
Tragically the sociopath gene is shared--among Republicans live love laugh Jan 2020 #30
Very good! H2O Man Jan 2020 #62
Watching him address his "base" today it is clear they respond to the "bloodlust" similar to the Evolve Dammit Jan 2020 #32
I keep thinking H2O Man Jan 2020 #63
You nailed it, Waterman! shanti Jan 2020 #41
Thank you, shanti ! H2O Man Jan 2020 #64
The Lunar New Year is coming up. blogslut Jan 2020 #44
Yes, it is! H2O Man Jan 2020 #65
I wonder if his pardoning of, and then hanging out with, Gallagher the killer is another symptom muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #59
You nailed it! H2O Man Jan 2020 #61
For all his drone strikes, was Obama compared to a dog? Marengo Jan 2020 #66
Curious question there. H2O Man Jan 2020 #73
He can't. PETRUS Jan 2020 #75
I'm not surprised. H2O Man Jan 2020 #77
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bootlicker tenderfoot Jan 2020 #122
Twitter Thread: Where there's smoke, there's fire. bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #67
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #74
Could there be such a thing as an institutional taste for blood? PETRUS Jan 2020 #68
Good question. H2O Man Jan 2020 #76
If we allow that it's a metaphor, I think the US developed a taste for blood long ago. PETRUS Jan 2020 #78
Thanks for H2O Man Jan 2020 #81
Sure! I'm delighted that you're interested. PETRUS Jan 2020 #91
I definitely will. H2O Man Jan 2020 #96
Thank you for this post! Bluepinky Jan 2020 #69
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #79
K and R...Outstanding Post..Thank You for posting. Stuart G Jan 2020 #71
Thanks, Stuart G ! H2O Man Jan 2020 #82
Amen! G_j Jan 2020 #72
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #83
Thank you for this. MuseRider Jan 2020 #80
Oh, thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #85
Lennon and Mozart MuseRider Jan 2020 #92
Right. H2O Man Jan 2020 #94
Oh Ringo! MuseRider Jan 2020 #107
As a (retired) mental health pro I couldn't agree more. nolabear Jan 2020 #86
Watched The Iceman awhile ago... LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #89
What I find H2O Man Jan 2020 #90
Con artists are quite a breed. nolabear Jan 2020 #101
Exactly right! H2O Man Jan 2020 #103
I see him as more of a malgnant narcissist than a sociopath Warpy Jan 2020 #87
"Malignant narcissist" is, H2O Man Jan 2020 #93
Some of the terminology change was driven by insurance Warpy Jan 2020 #105
K AND R. Excellent. n/t LuckyCharms Jan 2020 #88
Thank you! H2O Man Jan 2020 #97
Another fantastic post, sir. A great example of what brings me back to DU bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #99
Excellent point! H2O Man Jan 2020 #102
People who kick their dogs always make the lunatica Jan 2020 #104
I evaluate people H2O Man Jan 2020 #106
Me too, but not just dogs lunatica Jan 2020 #108
I'm reminded of H2O Man Jan 2020 #111
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Taste of Blood»Reply #119