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In reply to the discussion: "... most men, even good caring men, have no clue what we go through on a daily basis..." [View all]MicaelS
(8,747 posts)157. I'm speaking as an American man...
Who has never been to Japan, but likes aspects of Japanese culture. So I don't hate Japan.
From what I have read, and heard from friends who have visited Japan, some Japanese men have a real problem keeping their hands to themselves. Men groping women in the crowded subway cars is a real problem, and that is why the women's only cars were introduced.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-only_passenger_car
Groping in crowded commuter trains has been a problem in Japan; according to a survey conducted by Tokyo Metropolitan Police and East Japan Railway Company, two-thirds of female passengers in their twenties and thirties reported that they had been groped on trains, and the majority had been victimized frequently. Authorities have been unable to control groping activities, as trains are too crowded to identify the perpetrators, courts have traditionally been lenient, and victims are too often ashamed to come forward. The police and railway companies responded with poster campaigns to raise awareness and tougher sentences, but have been unable to reverse the trend. In 2004, the Tokyo police reported a threefold increase in reported cases of groping on public transportation over eight years.
Women-only cars have received positive reaction from some men and some women. Women cited safety from gropers, as well as not having to tolerate various smells. Men cited not having to worry about false accusation of being a groper.
However, passengers complained about further overcrowding in mixed cars, and feared that women who ride mixed cars would be putting themselves at more risk than before.
Women-only cars have received positive reaction from some men and some women. Women cited safety from gropers, as well as not having to tolerate various smells. Men cited not having to worry about false accusation of being a groper.
However, passengers complained about further overcrowding in mixed cars, and feared that women who ride mixed cars would be putting themselves at more risk than before.
http://www.odditycentral.com/pics/japans-anti-groping-women-only-train-cars.html
Its a known fact that Tokyo is overcrowded and that is most obvious during rush hour, when professional pushers shove people into train cars so the doors can close properly. Unfortunately this is the kind of environment where perverts thrive. Usually most people mind their own business, reading a magazine, checking their email or talking on the phone, but some men prefer to talk dirty to the women next to them and groping them. This kind of molestation or chikan as the Japanese call it, happens every day in Japanese major cities, and lost of women choose to be quiet and bear it, because of the way male-dominated Japanese society functions. But ever since Japanese railway stations introduced the women-only train cars, they dont have to, anymore.
With groping being so popular, the first female-only cars were apparently first introduced in 1912 on the present Chuo Mine Line to prevent men from Looking at the beautiful faces of young female students, but it was discontinued in 1973. Modern-day women-only train cars were introduced in December 2000 in response to complaints about drunk men groping women during the bonekaiparty season. It proved effective to some extent and other companies followed the example introducing their own special cars. Some operate throughout the day, some just during rush hour and are generally found on rapid service trains with longer distance between stops. Unfortunately, not all women fit in the crowded train car during busy intervals, and some have to ride in the normal ones, where the threat of groping still looms. Apparently the best way to handle a groping situation is to grab the perverts wrist, jerk his hand and scream chikan since this kind of embarrassment tactic is very effective in Japanese society. However, gropers know most Japanese women are too ashamed to react in public. Small children, senior citizens and men with disabilities are the only ones allowed on the women-only cars.
With groping being so popular, the first female-only cars were apparently first introduced in 1912 on the present Chuo Mine Line to prevent men from Looking at the beautiful faces of young female students, but it was discontinued in 1973. Modern-day women-only train cars were introduced in December 2000 in response to complaints about drunk men groping women during the bonekaiparty season. It proved effective to some extent and other companies followed the example introducing their own special cars. Some operate throughout the day, some just during rush hour and are generally found on rapid service trains with longer distance between stops. Unfortunately, not all women fit in the crowded train car during busy intervals, and some have to ride in the normal ones, where the threat of groping still looms. Apparently the best way to handle a groping situation is to grab the perverts wrist, jerk his hand and scream chikan since this kind of embarrassment tactic is very effective in Japanese society. However, gropers know most Japanese women are too ashamed to react in public. Small children, senior citizens and men with disabilities are the only ones allowed on the women-only cars.
That, and the fact some middle aged Japanese men like to read manga like The Rapeman in public, probably does not help to inspire confidence in Japanese men.
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"... most men, even good caring men, have no clue what we go through on a daily basis..." [View all]
redqueen
Sep 2012
OP
i see it too much on du anymore. this is why, when we continually point the finger at repugs
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#20
There are no real scientific studies linking porn use to violence against women
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#65
It was a frustrating conversation, and it's frustrating to have it over and over again.
Brickbat
Sep 2012
#90
i re read some of that thread. as i said above, a reminder that misogyny is not party specific. nt
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#21
if any man has a problem with that, they should take it up with other men, not with us!
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#22
any Apple shit you wear or hold (on public transit) is like painting a big target on your forehead
datasuspect
Sep 2012
#72
If you're nice, you could end up being treated to a view of the man rubbing himself,
redqueen
Sep 2012
#30
maybe if more women and girls were a little more aggressive, more men would no longer feel a right
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#45
then again, it would be on them. look, women are continually told to speak softy to the male cause
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#54
12 yr old niece sat quietly, hunched, as a over 40 waiter rubbed his crotch on her pouring her water
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#138
"she can learn to properly read guys??" TED BUNDY had the appearance of a nice, well-spoken guy
raccoon
Sep 2012
#81
Honestly, after the umpteenth time, it is understandable that you get so frustrated,
KitSileya
Sep 2012
#34
You've had strange men masturbate while talking about your tits in public?
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#173
generally it happened when i was in thought, but regardless, it would always take a moment for it to
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#77
Rec'd for the content, and for Wheaton, who has a long history of being a better man than most.
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2012
#35
I wish I knew what the solution was. Heck, I wish I knew what I'd do in that position... but I don't
LanternWaste
Sep 2012
#73
I've noticed a few instances when the religious right and the far left
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#119
There is one listing in the geek feminism wiki which I've never seen used that way in context.
redqueen
Sep 2012
#101
i was telling you how i, as a woman think and feel. and.... when make eye contact and smile,
seabeyond
Sep 2012
#156
This Aspie keeps quiet because I'm terrified of looking like a creepy "nice guy".
Odin2005
Sep 2012
#161
Yes, she gets to define her opinion of what a "real man" is. I don't see her
gkhouston
Sep 2012
#123
Again, you assume that the promise of violence falls under the umbrella of "nice person
gkhouston
Sep 2012
#167
You think she did. I think she didn't. If she'd said, "He is a nice person who offered to beat up
gkhouston
Sep 2012
#171
My husband relayed a story to me about witnessing a woman getting hit on at a train stop
nadine_mn
Sep 2012
#102