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Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:01 AM

68. They do.

And it's not the least bit surprising that there's more CO2 from meat production. Throughout history, meat has been more expensive in the diet than vegetables, because it takes more to produce it.

No, of course the studies don't compare oz for oz. They look at calories, and amount of protein required.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/16/new-plant-focused-diet-would-transform-planets-future-say-scientists

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/the-eight-most-climate-friendly-diets-according-to-the-un-report-1.3981560

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87 replies	Author	Time	Post
Red meat plays vital role in diets, claims expert in fightback against veganism [View all]	brooklynite	Jan 2020	OP
This is kind of silly	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#1
I think you hit it right on the head.	Archae	Jan 2020	#3
Funny, I've never met a vegan who evangelizes.	Merlot	Jan 2020	#12
My son was vegan for 7 years--and he was very aggressive about it. Yes, some do	tblue37	Jan 2020	#25
Maybe your son was trying to annoy you	Dorian Gray	Jan 2020	#63
No, he was like that with everybody, including his friends. nt	tblue37	Jan 2020	#64
The same with one of my nephews	LoveMyCali	Jan 2020	#82
They evangalize all the time here.	PoindexterOglethorpe	Jan 2020	#41
Vegan bashing is much more common than "evangelizing"	Merlot	Jan 2020	#47
Yes I agree	JonLP24	Jan 2020	#57
I had a coworker once who kept photos in her office of slaughtered animals	Clash City Rocker	Jan 2020	#80
Evangelizing	mmbrevo	Jan 2020	#16
Indeed. "No, thank you" is taken as a personal attack. nt.	Mariana	Jan 2020	#37
The militant vegans do exist mostly on the internet and they are that way because they've seen the	UniteFightBack	Jan 2020	#27
Cattle ranchers	MFM008	Jan 2020	#46
"I've never seen a meat-eating group do this."	Mariana	Jan 2020	#35
Of course I've seen those.	Archae	Jan 2020	#49
It is more the other way around	JonLP24	Jan 2020	#56
The reason it matters is that a meat based diet is bad for the planet	Blues Heron	Jan 2020	#5
And all those chemicals used on our fruits and vegetables aren't hurting the environment?	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#8
Meat's worse for the planet, that's a well established fact	Blues Heron	Jan 2020	#10
No it is Not a well established fact that raising pigs, chickens, goats, rabbits, cattle is worse	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#13
The rabbits really aren't the problem it's the cows	Blues Heron	Jan 2020	#17
So it is Not meat farming you object to it's specifically cattle you object to.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#20
CFOs are terrible for the planet.	safeinOhio	Jan 2020	#19
Yeah, going local and knowing your farmer is the most sustainable way to go.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#22
Living out here in the middle of NM, I only eat local grass fed beef	womanofthehills	Jan 2020	#42
No, there is scientific research on it. It's about the greenhouse gas emissions	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#61
The problem with your studies is that they don't take into account the chemicals used to raise your	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#65
They do.	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#68
Again your studies aren't complete.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#69
No, it is supported by science.	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#71
Again nowhere in your links is there science supporting your diet.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#72
You are unaware of reality. Or of what the links say.	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#73
You are all over the place in your arguments...so are we back to CO2 emissions?	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#74
Read links before using them. Bjorn Lomborg? Infamous climate change denier/minimiser	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#75
You should take your own advice considering you posted a worldwide diet that includes meat	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#81
No, you need to read what that "worldwide diet" is. And then read this thread.	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#83
You need to read your own straw men arguments.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#84
Odd, I have lost 30 lbs on a high meat diet.	SQUEE	Jan 2020	#87
Good post!	at140	Jan 2020	#76
+++	still_one	Jan 2020	#32
The ridiculous price of beauty:	FM123	Jan 2020	#2
We need more locally grown-to-market vegetables	pandr32	Jan 2020	#26
Nature	Cartoonist	Jan 2020	#4
This is true but the it's the way we are doing it now that is the problem. The factory farm is the	UniteFightBack	Jan 2020	#29
I also don't like the meat industry	Cartoonist	Jan 2020	#36
We, the LGBTQ, go against 'nature'	rusty fender	Jan 2020	#43
Not necessarily	Cartoonist	Jan 2020	#50
There also many instances of	rusty fender	Jan 2020	#52
Nature has 3 categories	Cartoonist	Jan 2020	#54
We won't have much of a nature if factory farming continues at this pace	JonLP24	Jan 2020	#58
I was referring to vegetarianism,	rusty fender	Jan 2020	#67
I am a Dietary mess.....	ProudMNDemocrat	Jan 2020	#6
Exactly...You may have some Inuit or Yupik genes.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#9
53% Eastern European...	ProudMNDemocrat	Jan 2020	#11
? Russia, Yugoslavia and the Balkans are half a world away from the Inuit	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2020	#62
Same, all grains and most fruit gives me issues.	tman	Jan 2020	#18
So true. We are just starting to really scientifically study diet.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#23
Maybe grains give people issues because they are high in glyphosate/Roundup	womanofthehills	Jan 2020	#45
There's scientific support that grains/veggies are losing nutrients	mainer	Jan 2020	#7
I wouldn't blame "farmers" for loss of nutrients in plant foods...	Wounded Bear	Jan 2020	#14
There was a Rachel Maddow episode about this	FM123	Jan 2020	#39
I did 2 years on a strict whole food vegan diet.	tman	Jan 2020	#15
No it is not. This is pure propaganda disguised as concern for health.	Claritie Pixie	Jan 2020	#21
Some societies lived on only meat.	Farmer-Rick	Jan 2020	#24
In some parts of the world growing vegetables on a large scale isn't an option.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Jan 2020	#31
It's as much a matter of what lives in your gut.	hunter	Jan 2020	#53
Exactly this!	rusty fender	Jan 2020	#44
True to a point	evertonfc	Jan 2020	#28
I'm glad the 'meat industry' is feeling threatened because more people are eating more plants. nt	UniteFightBack	Jan 2020	#30
Exactly, their ag gag laws and their lawsuits prove it	mucifer	Jan 2020	#33
This might sort itself out by the cost of meat at the grocery store.	Vinca	Jan 2020	#34
Let's arm wrestle over it	lame54	Jan 2020	#38
Every diet "requires a lot of knowledge and effort."	hunter	Jan 2020	#40
Im not a vegan.	MFM008	Jan 2020	#48
Studies...	Newest Reality	Jan 2020	#51
Throught the entire animal kingdom...	Binkie The Clown	Jan 2020	#55
!	Kali	Jan 2020	#78
If there weren't so many people, we wouldn't need as much food of all types	The_jackalope	Jan 2020	#59
Yep, less meat and less sex.	Dagstead Bumwood	Jan 2020	#60
Birth control exists. Healthy low meat and no meat diets exist.	hunter	Jan 2020	#66
Less sex? Get me off that train!	at140	Jan 2020	#77
No kidding. I don't even want to get near the station.	Dagstead Bumwood	Jan 2020	#85
I became very ill when I was vegetarian and then	Meowmee	Jan 2020	#70
We are omnivores... go too far either direction, there are consequences...	JCMach1	Jan 2020	#79
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