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wnylib

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86. Yes, some of the passengers had dual

Thu Jan 9, 2020, 04:50 PM

Jan 2020

citizenshio. That's why I mentioned the Iranian descent of several Canadians. I live near Buffalo and US and Canadians cross the border in this area daily, for jobs, shopping, entertainment, etc. Buffalo media include news about and for Canadians in the area. They have reported on the individuals from Toronto and other areas in Ontario who were on the flight. A lot were citizens of Iranian descent.

I have not jumped to any conclusions. I have pointed out the most logical possibility in the circumstances. I have some questions about things stated in the Newsweek article that I will cover in another post.

One thing that would make me question the accidental shootdown hypothesis (no proof yet) is that Trump is happy to call it that. I never trust what he says and have never agreed with him yet on anything. Scary to think that he and I might be on the same page about something.

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Breaking - Newsweek - Ukrainian plane struck by and anti-aircraft missile system [View all] Leghorn21 Jan 2020 OP

You don't say... Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #1

!!! H2O Man Jan 2020 #12

Was it also an accident that trump killed Soleimani? His killing led to this 'accident'. spanone Jan 2020 #2

And the stampede at Suleimani's funeral. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #17

Rest of article: Leghorn21 Jan 2020 #3

more blood on trumps* hands samnsara Jan 2020 #4

Sorry, but the Iranians shooting down a passenger airline from Ukraine Calista241 Jan 2020 #45

Trump's lashing out was the catalyst maxsolomon Jan 2020 #60

Yep, this is all on tRump. His temper tantrum is to blame for this. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2020 #67

Well if that's the case, I'm going to blame Nikolaus Otto Calista241 Jan 2020 #87

What is it with the Ukrainians TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #5

This on Iranian officials Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #7

Wrong killaphill Jan 2020 #68

They allowed the aircraft to depart - every aircraft should've been grounded. n/t Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #69

Iranians are still saying its a mechanical failure, and I see no reason not to believe their finding EX500rider Jan 2020 #79

They don't seem to like russian missiles flying in their vicinity.... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #52

What motive would Russia have? I can't see any. wnylib Jan 2020 #74

Some of those are dual nationals..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #76

Yes, some of the passengers had dual wnylib Jan 2020 #86

They changed the narrative. That's what they achieved Buckeyeblue Jan 2020 #81

No Russian controlled SAM systems in range... EX500rider Jan 2020 #80

source? getagrip_already Jan 2020 #82

Where's your source for Russian controlled SAM's outside Tehran? EX500rider Jan 2020 #84

They live in a region with active conflict and want to leave occasionally... Agschmid Jan 2020 #63

Wow - I was willing to bet big $$$ that this would eventually surface bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #6

An accident? StarryNite Jan 2020 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #9

The USA has no anti-aircraft arms near the Tehran airport. MineralMan Jan 2020 #10

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Where would a US anti-aircraft missile have been fired from? MineralMan Jan 2020 #15

Trash taken to the curb by MIRT. dware Jan 2020 #70

Russian built missile Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #14

Well, the person asking is new here today, so maybe MineralMan Jan 2020 #16

Oh yeah, maybe. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #18

Well, it could be... MineralMan Jan 2020 #19

I listen to both sides, I am a small business owner, and this new Obamacare thing I am hearing Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #21

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Ima let you finish... MineralMan Jan 2020 #24

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Ah, Newsweek a click-bait site. I get it. MineralMan Jan 2020 #22

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You're being dishonest - the linked article is from this morning (before new info) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #28

Interesting information, isn't it? MineralMan Jan 2020 #29

He's posted that link 2x, after being told the info was obsolete Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #36

Ah, well... MineralMan Jan 2020 #47

Yes, I have been a DU member for a long time. MineralMan Jan 2020 #32

Newsweek is independent, not owned by anyone other than itself since 2018 Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #31

That article was published 8am this morning Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #33

Sold "on recent years," eh? MineralMan Jan 2020 #35

Definitely a russian bot. nt. dware Jan 2020 #71

Oh, yes. Clear from the very first post. MineralMan Jan 2020 #73

Well, our new friend, Максий, appears to have been escorted MineralMan Jan 2020 #38

Just in time for a late dinner in Saint Petersburg Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #39

And perhaps a refresher training session on creating screen names. MineralMan Jan 2020 #43

Comrade Tombstone is no longer with us. Renew Deal Jan 2020 #37

That was odd. why would someone new sign up here with a name MineralMan Jan 2020 #40

Vladimir was too on-the-nose Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #44

putin did..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #54

well...if the Pentagon says it's true.. stillcool Jan 2020 #11

So missles fired are automatic Beringia Jan 2020 #27

They can be FBaggins Jan 2020 #62

So we are now to believe that Iran's Zoonart Jan 2020 #30

I think it almost has to be an accident. You can say what you want about the Iranians totodeinhere Jan 2020 #41

Someone was probably a little trigger-happy. MineralMan Jan 2020 #48

Different type of missile sarisataka Jan 2020 #49

Could be, a Ukrainian plane wasn't dialed into Iran's IFF (Identification Friend or Foe)... Brother Buzz Jan 2020 #50

Ballistic missiles fired at Iraq and the anti-aircraft missile that took down this aircraft Zolorp Jan 2020 #56

Most likely reason there were no casualties.... EX500rider Jan 2020 #83

But if Trump had not...... mchill Jan 2020 #34

It is not an "accident" Takket Jan 2020 #42

Yes, it wouldn't have happened if Trump had not killed their general. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #46

Looks pretty easy to me. Putin at war with Ukraine, Putin allied with Iran, Putin tell them to shoot BamaRefugee Jan 2020 #51

Except that 63 passengers were Canadian and wnylib Jan 2020 #85

No surprise sarisataka Jan 2020 #53

How come everyone's afraid to state the obvious... infullview Jan 2020 #55

It is called proximate cause. But for Trump's actions, the flight would not have gone down. kiranon Jan 2020 #61

blood on his hands as i see it... infullview Jan 2020 #66

So, does that open the door for families of passengers mnhtnbb Jan 2020 #78

I await Iran's response Cartoonist Jan 2020 #57

civilian flights jdl123 Jan 2020 #58

This missile is radar guided. SCVDem Jan 2020 #59

Step by step lie by lie moving us to a war with Iran. usaf-vet Jan 2020 #64

Did Iran really believe USA would send a bomber plane to Tehran? IronLionZion Jan 2020 #65

there is no telling what the fascist dictator-wannabe warmongering piece of shit Trump will do Skittles Jan 2020 #89

UPDATE : Iran says it will let Canadian investigators join crash probe bullwinkle428 Jan 2020 #72

If it was shot down, then it was shot down by itchy Iranian fingers DFW Jan 2020 #75

or cold russian fingers...... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #77

A few questions or points about the Newsweek wnylib Jan 2020 #88