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In reply to the discussion: Natasha Bertrand: "Um holy sh*t-This could explain why Yovanovitch was moved out of Ukraine so quick [View all]Dennis Donovan
(31,059 posts)31. Chris Hayes: "One part of the Ukraine story that's never *quite* made sense..."
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One part of the Ukraine story that's never *quite* made sense to me is the air of menace direct at Amb. Yovanovitch that's always kind of unspecified and never spelled out. Obviously getting fired because you stood in the way of a political hit job sucks, but it's more than that.
Trump famously says of Yovanovitch on the call "she's gonna go through some stuff," but I've never understood what he was implying. Professional sanction? Termination from the State Department?
And then Yovanovitch herself says that Ukrainians were telling her that her security was at risk. Not just that, when she gets recalled by State, she's told that for security reasons she has to get the very next plane back to DC.
But I honestly never understood why.
I have no idea what to make of the validity of the new text messages shared by House Intel. Maybe it's just people talking tough and bs'ing.
BUT!
the texts do appear to suggest that Yovanovitch's every movement was being monitored by an associate of Parnas. That her computer(!) and phone (!) were being surveilled. That there was some consideration of maybe...kidnapping her? It's really hard to tell.
But the whole thing feels extremely menacing and threatening and maybe sheds some light on why Yovanovitch herself experienced this period as full of menace and threats.
Also, it's REALLY hard for me to understand why Parnas' own lawyers shared these texts if they show what they appear to show.
7:02 PM - Jan 14, 2020
One part of the Ukraine story that's never *quite* made sense to me is the air of menace direct at Amb. Yovanovitch that's always kind of unspecified and never spelled out. Obviously getting fired because you stood in the way of a political hit job sucks, but it's more than that.
Trump famously says of Yovanovitch on the call "she's gonna go through some stuff," but I've never understood what he was implying. Professional sanction? Termination from the State Department?
And then Yovanovitch herself says that Ukrainians were telling her that her security was at risk. Not just that, when she gets recalled by State, she's told that for security reasons she has to get the very next plane back to DC.
But I honestly never understood why.
I have no idea what to make of the validity of the new text messages shared by House Intel. Maybe it's just people talking tough and bs'ing.
BUT!
the texts do appear to suggest that Yovanovitch's every movement was being monitored by an associate of Parnas. That her computer(!) and phone (!) were being surveilled. That there was some consideration of maybe...kidnapping her? It's really hard to tell.
But the whole thing feels extremely menacing and threatening and maybe sheds some light on why Yovanovitch herself experienced this period as full of menace and threats.
Also, it's REALLY hard for me to understand why Parnas' own lawyers shared these texts if they show what they appear to show.
7:02 PM - Jan 14, 2020
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Natasha Bertrand: "Um holy sh*t-This could explain why Yovanovitch was moved out of Ukraine so quick [View all]
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
OP
And Ghouliani is trying to be Traitor Tot's impeachment lawyer in the Senate - hahahahahahaha!
OMGWTF
Jan 2020
#30
the mafia never had the presidency....this is an entirely new level of corruption
spanone
Jan 2020
#6
If she was killed in Ukraine, Ukraine would have been blamed. "Look how bad and corrupt they are..."
NCLefty
Jan 2020
#8
"Amb Yovanovitch under physical surveillance in Kyiv - 'They are willing to help if you want a price
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#9
Yovanovitch testified that UKRAINIAN officials warned her that Guiliani & others "had plans"
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#17
"You need to come home immediately. 'You need to come home on the next plane."
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#21
So the woman warning Yovanovitch knew this was going on which means someone was watching the text
chowder66
Jan 2020
#44
Flashback--"She's going to go through some things," Trump said of Yovanovitch during his call with Z.
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#22
Bradley P Moss "I am seriously worried they were planning to murder an American diplomat."
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#24
I can't access the article, because I'm in the EU, but it looks like it
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2020
#34
I can see that one - it's the Courant one from today I can't. But the Beast seems to confirm it
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2020
#40
Hyde, when reached for comment, simply spat "Bull Schiff is a giant b*tch" (for real)
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#41
Who is the Robert F. Hyde who surfaced in House Intelligence Committee documents?
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#39
Chris Hayes: "One part of the Ukraine story that's never *quite* made sense..."
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#31
could Parnas get immunity for something as big as planning to assassinate an ambassador?
renate
Jan 2020
#49
Let us not forget Devin Nunes was in Europe ... but can't remember phone calls with Lev Parnas
Pachamama
Jan 2020
#90
@BillKristol The removal of Yovanovitch was always a sign this was a real conspiracy in pursuit of a
riversedge
Jan 2020
#33
I smell the third article of Impeachment and it will be a first in American Presidential History
Pachamama
Jan 2020
#91
"Robert F. Hyde appears to be deleting his posts from this account tonight."
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#51
I don't own a telly, so I miss out sometimes on the juiciest bits.
Haggis for Breakfast
Jan 2020
#69
Giuliani: "Do you paint houses" Hyde: "Yes I paint houses, and I also do carpentry"
NCLefty
Jan 2020
#88
House Dems set to demand that the State Dept account for Yovanovitch's safety during her stalking
Dennis Donovan
Jan 2020
#96