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Caliman73

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43. Healthcare is complicated. On purpose. People make a lot of money from it.

Thu Jan 23, 2020, 01:54 PM

Jan 2020

Others of us are afraid of change and afraid of loss. Those who stand to gain profit, understand that and play to those fears.

Here is a video that I think explains well, though it may be somewhat simple.

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The US has had "Medicare for some" since 1965. [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2020 OP

Just need GOP to support it, is all. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #1

Well noted. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #2

Hundreds of thousands of people would lose their jobs if health insurers disappeared Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #3

True. And as blue collar workers are always told, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #4

The GOP needs to be defeated 100% Yavin4 Jan 2020 #65

I think doing it incrementally increases potential for successful adoption MH1 Jan 2020 #5

True, and making it a choice guillaumeb Jan 2020 #6

Exactly. MH1 Jan 2020 #7

Big money does not want this change. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #8

True, sadly. nt MH1 Jan 2020 #9

Because they would be called Dinos. There is a side that wants nothing but all Blue_true Jan 2020 #15

Medicare expansion to 50 or 55 and over NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #36

We could be well on the way to actual M4A - or even there MH1 Jan 2020 #44

and, back in the late 70s NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #45

Current Medicare is a choice. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #54

I like your idea. Allow people that currently have insurance to buy Medicare instead. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #14

I agree with doing it incrementally, but I think it needs to be from both ends csziggy Jan 2020 #24

wasn't part of Obamacare NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #37

It included coverage up to age 26 on their parents' policies. Mariana Jan 2020 #39

People now pay in for 45 years before they are eligible MichMan Jan 2020 #10

Also under the current system, ...; there is no dependent or spousal cove csziggy Jan 2020 #25

I stand corrected. Spouses can be covered, but not children MichMan Jan 2020 #26

Spouses are only covered if age eligible MichMan Jan 2020 #35

Yes - I am six months younger than my husband csziggy Jan 2020 #40

Not necessarily NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #38

Taxes would need to be raised substantially. stopbush Jan 2020 #11

Health insurance for a family of four runs $20,000 and up. Blue_true Jan 2020 #16

Back when I got my health insurance thru my employer stopbush Jan 2020 #27

You touched on the problem. Blue_true Jan 2020 #31

How is that different from The ACA? TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #53

The ACA leaves out tens of millions of Americans that make too much to qualify for subsidies. Blue_true Jan 2020 #56

It shouldn't be a problem for anyone SoCalNative Jan 2020 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jan 2020 #29

Actually, the average cost overall for employer-provided insurance for a family of four stopbush Jan 2020 #32

I am single so I don't know what a family policy cost. I have Blue_true Jan 2020 #34

That is the bait and switch... WyattKansas Jan 2020 #41

Canadians are covered for 1/2 the cost of US citizens. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #19

Speculation on your part. stopbush Jan 2020 #28

It is not speculative to report a fact. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #42

People who have serious diseases and can afford it former9thward Jan 2020 #60

Have you ever heard of many peple traveling to India, Meico, and other countries guillaumeb Jan 2020 #61

The cancer survival rates in the U.S. apply to everyone. former9thward Jan 2020 #62

Lack of access to routine care can often lead to many conditions beng undiagnosed. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #63

It can easily become Medicare for All. All we need is a party and a president to decide to do it. Autumn Jan 2020 #12

That is not totally correct. Blue_true Jan 2020 #17

The cost of the ACA with it's subsidies are large also and Biden seems to think that the republicans Autumn Jan 2020 #22

Not nearly as large as MFA. Blue_true Jan 2020 #23

Medicare for All -- without 100% coverage, dental, etc., as Sanders/Warren propose -- might Hoyt Jan 2020 #13

Most Americans have employer paid health insurance and don't realize Blue_true Jan 2020 #18

That's why the ACA required that line on the W2 showing health insurance costs Recursion Jan 2020 #52

All universal healthcare plans presented so far require an employer contribution. Blue_true Jan 2020 #57

That's not necessarily true Recursion Jan 2020 #59

I have to admit, at some point heroic measures to save some people's lives seem to be ill spent. Blue_true Jan 2020 #64

Medicare at 55 is a winner. SMC22307 Jan 2020 #20

And as that age to enroll was lowered, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #21

My Medicare Advantage plan (Kaiser) costs me $0. I pay an extra $20 a month stopbush Jan 2020 #33

It requires pretty hefty payroll levies from the entire population Recursion Jan 2020 #30

Canada has a single payer system. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #47

And it's important to acknowledge why Canada's system can't work here Recursion Jan 2020 #48

Incorrect, but allow me to explain. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #49

Incorrect, but allow me to explain Recursion Jan 2020 #50

You made a point about what Canada does. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #51

Medicare pays out normal costs TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #55

Healthcare is complicated. On purpose. People make a lot of money from it. Caliman73 Jan 2020 #43

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #46

I have been saying this since the 1970s yellowdogintexas Jan 2020 #66

Very well argued, and from an inside perspective. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #67