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wnylib

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95. OK. I've heard the tape and have to admit

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 06:58 AM

Jan 2020

that it does not sound like a hit order. It sounds more like he wants her fired but also wants it set up to look like there is a good reason. Given what we know now about his maneuvering in Ukraine, Yovanovich could not be counted on to play along. She was known to be competent at helping to clear up corruption.

To avoid having people look too closely at what he was doing in Ukraine and why he would replace an ambassador with a good reputation, it would help to set her up in some way to discredit her. In that context, Trump telling people to "get her out of there" and to "take her out" sounds like an order to make her look bad to justify replacing her without being asked why he would fire a good, effecrive ambassador.

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I know I'll get slammed for this, but I don't think the Parnas tape on ABC shows a hit order [View all] Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 OP

Neither do I. brooklynite Jan 2020 #1

I don't believe they had the power to fire her. Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #2

From Wikipedia: Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #10

Parnas et al had no right to fire her. Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #36

No, of course not. Trump did. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #43

According to Parnas, Trump directed the get her out comment to his aide, Joe DeStefano onenote Jan 2020 #62

Thanks! All reasonable an possible. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #64

Thanks. Makes sense and answers some questions of mine. Midnight Writer Jan 2020 #81

Benefit of the Doubt? rufus dog Jan 2020 #3

Not giving the benefit of the doubt to anyone. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #16

Nope rufus dog Jan 2020 #65

+1000000000000 triron Jan 2020 #87

Why did he send thugs to stalk the ambassador? ecstatic Jan 2020 #4

All that gets filed in the "Who the fuck knows why they do things like this? file Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #18

Except we do know. As hard as it might be to accept. ecstatic Jan 2020 #32

Who else was in the room? who was next in the line of talk who was NOT in the room. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #44

Then why didn't they do it? jberryhill Jan 2020 #85

Agreed Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #5

If he wanted her fired, why didn't he fire her? dflprincess Jan 2020 #6

Yes, it can be taken that way. But it shouldn't Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #21

I think the answer to this question is remarkably simple. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #58

-THAT- is eminently believable! Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #66

I can see that. dflprincess Jan 2020 #68

The real story is WHY he wanted her out. madaboutharry Jan 2020 #7

I thought the narcissist moron was upset with her .. CatMor Jan 2020 #15

I agree KT2000 Jan 2020 #8

Exactly Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #11

King MobBoss the First blm Jan 2020 #13

People with no power "sound" like mobsters. tinrobot Jan 2020 #26

And then it took a year to fire her mainstreetonce Jan 2020 #9

Can't answer that. But making the "he called for her murder" argument is a separate thing. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #23

I agree mainstreetonce Jan 2020 #28

Because she knew the politics and corruption wnylib Jan 2020 #84

On Rachel right now. Let's see.... Hekate Jan 2020 #12

Caught the last part of that. Mersky Jan 2020 #41

The tape is almost an hour and a half long, and was stored in the Cloud (?). Evil & stupid... Hekate Jan 2020 #82

Lol. No doubt. Mersky Jan 2020 #83

That may be the case, but... Salviati Jan 2020 #14

It does prove he directed her firing C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #17

Absolutely no doubt about that! Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #24

And how were they supposed do that? Lars39 Jan 2020 #19

It's more than just one video. Add in the texts from from Robert Hyde to Parnas. tinrobot Jan 2020 #20

Let's not trip over ourselves by crediting brains to pure kooks. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #27

You kind of have to be a kook to work for these guys... tinrobot Jan 2020 #37

I think that H2O Man Jan 2020 #52

Add this to, "She's going to go through some things." wnylib Jan 2020 #22

Think about this: Ambassadors can be fired for any reason or no reason. Period! Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #30

Absolutely, but not by a couple of trump's goons, Parnas and Fruman. MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #70

See posts 62 and 49 Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #73

Tell that to Khashoggi's ghost. wnylib Jan 2020 #75

And Epstein's. triron Jan 2020 #89

Trump'is a coward who doesn't like to face wnylib Jan 2020 #92

OK. I've heard the tape and have to admit wnylib Jan 2020 #95

I agree. Trump is a bully and enjoys using tough, thuggish language. Arkansas Granny Jan 2020 #25

"take her out" was the wording Red Don used for Someli Iranian guy uponit7771 Jan 2020 #29

Its the way he talks. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #33

"We took him out, which is something that... dchill Jan 2020 #61

No direct connection Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #69

Excellent point triron Jan 2020 #90

Solemani was Trump trying get one up on Obama with bin Laden Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #97

Trump used the same type of language when talking about Soleimani. Let's take him out. sarcasmo Jan 2020 #31

See #33 directly above. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #35

Agreed n/t Blaukraut Jan 2020 #34

Michael Cohen said Trump talks in code. He doesn't spell things out. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2020 #38

+1000000 Pachamama Jan 2020 #53

So.... why didn't he use his signature line? SlogginThroughIt Jan 2020 #39

Dump never fires people directly. He is a CORRUPT COWARD. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #47

A few years ago I would have agreed with you. Now, I am not so sure. Tech Jan 2020 #40

But if he merely wanted her fired, he would have gone through official channels wishstar Jan 2020 #42

I really do think most people get that it was not an order for 'hit' from the fake don. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #45

The thing is that there was this "take her out" and then she gets the middle of the night call bloom Jan 2020 #46

The good thing about the tape coming out is it's unscripted Trump eleny Jan 2020 #48

Absotively and Posilutely!!! Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #50

Like my dad always used to assert, "Yeah, No, Maybe!" eleny Jan 2020 #57

So . . . . . From atty Bondy on Maddow, there were officials and staff in the room when he said it. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #49

I dunno. It's not like Parnas' attorney will admit that his client ecstatic Jan 2020 #80

It doesn't. Some people went off half-cocked. coti Jan 2020 #51

He talks "mob" to sound tough, but I agree with you here. herding cats Jan 2020 #54

I think the most important thing about the Parnas tape is that FM123 Jan 2020 #55

Let's play "If Obama had said it..." EveHammond13 Jan 2020 #56

Fine. But combine this with the texts about her surveillance intrepidity Jan 2020 #59

Yes. +1 Liberal In Texas Jan 2020 #67

Is he asking them to.fire her? Who is he having fire her? These guys are not government officials, AJT Jan 2020 #60

The key to this is Joe DeStefano - See post #62. onenote Jan 2020 #63

Also #49 Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #72

But raises question of why John Di Stefano didn't have firing letter sent to her wishstar Jan 2020 #76

It could be that he checked with State and decided not to do it onenote Jan 2020 #78

Another pretty obvious point... jberryhill Jan 2020 #101

I don't, either. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #71

Inclined to agree but moondust Jan 2020 #74

You don't think and talk like mobsters. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #77

I don't either DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #79

With you. Plus, I think a lot of Prezs would remove someone who is not supportative. With Hoyt Jan 2020 #86

I don't either,... stillcool Jan 2020 #88

I agree with you. nt DesertRat Jan 2020 #91

I agree with you. nt Raine Jan 2020 #93

no matter what it wasn't good FormerOstrich Jan 2020 #94

The Reich wing Varaddem Jan 2020 #96

I'm torn. Someone made an excellent point yesterday: Mike 03 Jan 2020 #98

In the room were people who COULD fire her. Stinky The Clown Jan 2020 #99

Correct. In fact, Parnas himself said Trump directed the command to get rid of her to DeStefano onenote Jan 2020 #105

I'm sorry - you don't know how a mobster speaks... harumph Jan 2020 #100

HOWEVER, il drumpf did insist he never met Parnas The Blue Flower Jan 2020 #102

Tough Guy hyperbole? no_hypocrisy Jan 2020 #103

But the thing is, Parnas and Fruman didn't have the authority dewsgirl Jan 2020 #104

Whoa! I DISAGREE empedocles Jan 2020 #106

It's certainly NOT a hit. He's just pissed Roland99 Jan 2020 #107

I think it's plain as day. EndlessWire Jan 2020 #108