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msanthrope

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16. The only person responsible for Dolan's presence is Dolan. Your posts never reflect

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 08:19 AM

Sep 2012

the background to this mess:

Dolan was asked to speak at the RNC. He accepted, and some consevatives crowed. Big deal, right?

Dolan then offered himself to the DNC, saying he wanted to be "fair." We all know that was bullshit, but what should the DNC have done?

Dolan is currently peddling the bullshit that 'religious liberty' is under attack. You saw how the fundys screamed when a god wasn't mentioned in the DNC platform.

So should the DNC have handed Dolan another nail in his cross of martyrdom? Should we have gotten into a public pissing match?

No...you accept Dolan, you make him drag his sorry ass to Charlotte, and as President, you make sure you mention DADT when you know he's gonna hear it. Then you put his ass at the end when everyone is hurrying off to the afterparty.

The repukes and their allies WANT a culture confrontation. Don't give it to them.

Dolan was powerless last night......and his behavior reflected that.

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Dolan took a swipe at the LGBT community and marriage equality in his prayer at the DNC. [View all] Zorra Sep 2012 OP

i turned it off barbtries Sep 2012 #1

N-Dimensional chess, probably. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #19

I wish I had - Dolan leaves a sour taste bhikkhu Sep 2012 #68

of course he did. he's an arrogant self righteous pig who xchrom Sep 2012 #2

I hit the mute button as soon he was announced. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #3

did you really expect anything different? hobbit709 Sep 2012 #4

No. But it's best never to be silent about the things that matter. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #6

+1 yardwork Sep 2012 #32

We have some in the leadership of the Dem Party who believe that not mentioning sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #136

This ^. Great post. Thanks. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #156

Very interesting and important historical analysis. Thank you! yardwork Sep 2012 #160

"Idols of our own making" ought to include... CBHagman Sep 2012 #5

+1 million! caraher Sep 2012 #56

"Idols of our own making" ought to include... AlbertCat Sep 2012 #65

Ignornant POS... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #7

I doubt if anyone was actually listening MrScorpio Sep 2012 #8

That's interesteing as those who made this decision and many on Du insisted that if he was Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #39

Yup, that's how it's ALWAYS worked on DU when it comes to us. closeupready Sep 2012 #43

Sadly for them, there are actual viewer numbers in TV, for each half hour Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #73

Lol. cliffordu Sep 2012 #79

As soon as Dolan was announced.. ananda Sep 2012 #9

Oh, they picked him because he's a powerful American catholic leader HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #93

#1: He can suck my ass. #2: if he actually looked at nature he'd see dudes doing dudes regularly. Kurovski Sep 2012 #10

he'd see dudes doing dudes regularly AlbertCat Sep 2012 #67

in the animal world it's not as common. Kurovski Sep 2012 #75

I was speaking of nature, natural...animal...world. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #85

Yep. Their arguments were always crap, but they are just crumbling. Kurovski Sep 2012 #87

Probably 80% of the population here in this country are movonne Sep 2012 #129

My theory on religious folks (and others) who think you can choose to be gay, Kurovski Sep 2012 #153

I agree that his "prayer" was disgusting and his presence was insulting. beac Sep 2012 #11

To those who think no one saw this: DNC night one drew nearly 30 million viewers, last night Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #71

He also spoke against womens reproductive rights Marrah_G Sep 2012 #12

I totally agree... truebrit71 Sep 2012 #14

I'll never understand this Robyn66 Sep 2012 #13

See post 16...he wasn't 'invited.'. The repukes tried to make a culture msanthrope Sep 2012 #17

Better to just not have public prayers at political events. Mariana Sep 2012 #45

You are absolutely right Robyn66 Sep 2012 #126

No offense, but it is up to 'Christians' to separate themselves from the haters. That is their job. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #47

You seem to have had a tough time at the hands of some so called "christians" Robyn66 Sep 2012 #133

"People of faith" MNBrewer Sep 2012 #77

You miss the poster's point Scootaloo Sep 2012 #127

I apologize if that was your impression Robyn66 Sep 2012 #137

I respect your right to feel that way Robyn66 Sep 2012 #135

That did it for me. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #15

I hate that he was there too Ineeda Sep 2012 #46

He was asked to be there. Deal with truth not fiction. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #48

Don't assume what I do or don't care about. Ineeda Sep 2012 #150

Yeah, don't pretend he "forced his way in" MNBrewer Sep 2012 #80

That did it for you? Egnever Sep 2012 #161

The only person responsible for Dolan's presence is Dolan. Your posts never reflect msanthrope Sep 2012 #16

oh ok :) Robyn66 Sep 2012 #23

Another important point: Marriage equality is part of the Democratic platform. yardwork Sep 2012 #33

This. Maven Sep 2012 #134

Hey there, buddy! How are you? yardwork Sep 2012 #143

I'm good, my dear friend. How are you? Maven Sep 2012 #146

I'm doing well. It's nice to be here today, isn't it? yardwork Sep 2012 #147

It sure is. Maven Sep 2012 #148

Smile. yardwork Sep 2012 #149

Simple, really Doctor_J Sep 2012 #35

Yes, I agree. Not every Catholic cleric is a bigot. We should have invited someone else stevenleser Sep 2012 #58

DNC planners should still have figured out a better option than to have him there. stevenleser Sep 2012 #66

Apparently the local bishop is customary....but of course, once Dolan started talking about how he msanthrope Sep 2012 #106

the local bishop is no prize either dsc Sep 2012 #118

Excellent post! AlbertCat Sep 2012 #70

I think that Dolan is slime appal_jack Sep 2012 #76

DNC should have declined Dolan's offer and engaged a liberal Catholic speaker instead. Zorra Sep 2012 #152

But we were assured "It'll just be a quick, routine blessing -- it's not a sermon." MNBrewer Sep 2012 #18

It was a political speech Marrah_G Sep 2012 #22

I knew it would be. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #27

According to Jesus who was once said to be the Top Dog in Christendom all public prayer is Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #50

Direct violation of JC's own words. Matthew 6:5-8 MNBrewer Sep 2012 #82

HuffPo live stream switched off before Dolan. Few people saw him, thank goodness. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #20

I still don't know why this guy was invited to speak. Renew Deal Sep 2012 #21

I give the context upthread...he invited himself and the DNC msanthrope Sep 2012 #26

It would not have been a big deal to say no. Vattel Sep 2012 #31

I live in Pennsylvania. You had better believe it would have been, in the words of Joe Biden, msanthrope Sep 2012 #107

Because we must always pander to people that don't vote for Democrats anyway? Vattel Sep 2012 #122

No, you just avoid kicking up a hornet's nest. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #124

Maybe you are right Vattel Sep 2012 #142

Which was a win win for the right wing. zeemike Sep 2012 #69

I hate to say it - I can't stand the guy but it was a smart move LynneSin Sep 2012 #141

See this thread for some hypothesized explanations MNBrewer Sep 2012 #30

been there... Raster Sep 2012 #53

Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #62

And his presence and words are somehow supposed to influence this?? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #83

Hey, man WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #91

I turned it off when he took the stage. Ticked me off to have all mnhtnbb Sep 2012 #24

I didn't know he was at the DNC amuse bouche Sep 2012 #25

Just as much a swipe at women's rights... and that "idol" bit... Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #28

Apologies are for children and Obama's a grown man. Iggo Sep 2012 #29

Ever notice a RW prayer sounds more like casting a spell? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #34

Always an open invitation to tired-ass stupid town. Kurovski Sep 2012 #37

Compare today's crap with FDR: Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #117

he carefully sidesteps the request for nationally mandated day of prayer Kurovski Sep 2012 #151

You see, we cannot understand the strategy of this, we never do, we just can't...until it backfires. Safetykitten Sep 2012 #36

*like* :) MNBrewer Sep 2012 #84

Didn't watch it. I only watched Obama's speech. I shut everything off after Obama's speech, MineralMan Sep 2012 #38

I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve your message. Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #40

I wish Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson, or Sr. Simone Campbell had given the benediction OmahaBlueDog Sep 2012 #41

Jakes is a huge homophobe, calls gay people 'broken' and is in general one of the most pernicious Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #51

What does his being on the short list for popehood have to do with anything? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #86

I consider it bad juju to not listen to a prayer, but partway thru FailureToCommunicate Sep 2012 #42

many on this thread insist that 'no one saw it' on national TV... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #54

There seems to be a few common responses to this. The Link Sep 2012 #44

Thats common practice here FreeState Sep 2012 #128

Should not have been allowed to speak at the DNC. Scuba Sep 2012 #49

Dolan proved himself to be a complete hypocrite LiberalEsto Sep 2012 #52

I watched to see if he would do something like that, and caught it immediately. stevenleser Sep 2012 #55

Dolan and his ilk know that the straight community has their backs and they are immune from Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #57

Not all straights my friend, but too many. The Link Sep 2012 #61

I did not say all of them, now did I stranger? Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #114

Ignorant Sot. LGBT members DO nurture life and contribute to the community.... NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #59

Barf. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #60

I thought they told the ass h*le no. n/t BlueToTheBone Sep 2012 #63

That line is what the fuss is about? Good Lord. aquart Sep 2012 #64

He doesn't have to marry divorced straight couples in NY HockeyMom Sep 2012 #72

I like to think of myself as a "recovering Catholic" Oilwellian Sep 2012 #74

You are overreacting badtoworse Sep 2012 #78

"Party Down"! That's what I expect. Just like the Dieties of old. Kurovski Sep 2012 #81

I expect the Democrats not to invite a retrograde bigot to be the cherry on top of the sundae MNBrewer Sep 2012 #88

Wow. -1000. So much obfuscation, so little time. closeupready Sep 2012 #89

I think poster is speaking ironically, from perspective of the "faith". Kurovski Sep 2012 #92

Oh - that may be, though closeupready Sep 2012 #94

Who knows, but you still made excellent points. Kurovski Sep 2012 #96

See response below. The Link Sep 2012 #98

Okee-dokee then. Kurovski Sep 2012 #99

I make judgements all the time. Everyone does. badtoworse Sep 2012 #97

Your hateful hocus-pocus has no place closeupready Sep 2012 #100

Here here!!!!!! (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #101

+1 AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #105

You drive legislative policy by winning elections... badtoworse Sep 2012 #108

God probably told you that...? closeupready Sep 2012 #119

All the more reason not to invite him in the first place. AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #103

Do share with us: what is "God's law?" Maven Sep 2012 #132

It depends on which religion you are talking about; there are many different interpretations. badtoworse Sep 2012 #138

Well, now you're stating it in relative terms Maven Sep 2012 #139

You asked a broad question about God's law, so a broad answer was appropriate badtoworse Sep 2012 #158

You won't have to wait very long. Maven Sep 2012 #159

There shouldn't even be prayer at these things. Keep it in the churches or in your own home Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #90

Damn straight!! Kurovski Sep 2012 #95

What about Dolan's comments concerning abortion? Frances Sep 2012 #102

Zorra, I love you dear. But why, oh why DevonRex Sep 2012 #104

Yes, it can actually have a positive result. olegramps Sep 2012 #111

Oh, I can't watch any RW asshole speak, ever. I'm serious. Zorra Sep 2012 #154

Absolutely you are. You know that. DevonRex Sep 2012 #155

I saw Dolan BlueInPhilly Sep 2012 #109

That is so fucking offensive, to claim all homophobes are really gay. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #115

What are you talking about? BlueInPhilly Sep 2012 #123

If this guy hadn't become a priest, he'd have gone into theater. closeupready Sep 2012 #120

Make your case TrogL Sep 2012 #130

Gay? I thought he was homophobic. sibelian Sep 2012 #140

"we are the people supporting Democrats" hfojvt Sep 2012 #110

LOL. There's not even one single true thing in your post, except for the subject line quote. Zorra Sep 2012 #157

It upsets me that the Democrats had that piece of crap give the closing prayer. Alduin Sep 2012 #112

Why was this protector of child rapists allowed to speak? Dawson Leery Sep 2012 #113

Why even offer a prayer? Is this a political convetion or a jesus convention? n/t D23MIURG23 Sep 2012 #116

I am troubled at this prayer. mwooldri Sep 2012 #121

Recommended and kicked. William769 Sep 2012 #125

Fuck him, he's irrelevant Maven Sep 2012 #131

Who invited him? AlinPA Sep 2012 #144

wow, 143 responses... AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2012 #145