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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Frum's one of the thoughtful moderate conservatives
Fri Jan 31, 2020, 04:02 PM
Jan 2020

who reject what the Republican Party's become and whom we must ally with if we are to bring our nation through this. Nicolle Wallace, very popular around here, is another example of conservatives we agree with on most things.

Frum warned several years ago on TV that the battle for power was enormous. It's about the soul of our nation, and Trump's a symptom, a metastasis that threatens to kill by itself, but not the big cancer. Frum's very enlightening Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic was published in 2018, which means it's now very affordable secondhand. But many of his writings are free on line also.

“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”


The white (Christian) male Republican leadership already had, years before Obama's election lit a fire under many millions of conservative voters forced to realize the comforting, secure Ozzie and Harriet America they loved to believe in had "disappeared." Many still don't realize it never existed, but their anxiety at learning that would not help anyone. We have to hold through this transition, and reestablish widespread security and hopes for future prosperity, until their descendants who don't know what all the fuss is about outvote them.

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Thanks, Frum! Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #1
The squatter resides in the WH, therefore, he's Resident Trump. Not presidential. CaptYossarian Jan 2020 #18
Trump lost, overall, by closer to nine million votes. maddiemom Jan 2020 #31
So post-Trump Frum is now against the electoral college lame54 Jan 2020 #2
Um... no... Frum's pointing out that the very thing Trump supporters claim makes him a "legit" POTUS ehrnst Jan 2020 #4
Frum's one of the thoughtful moderate conservatives Hortensis Jan 2020 #9
Would he say his former boss... lame54 Jan 2020 #10
What is it about the OP that is getting you so upset? ehrnst Jan 2020 #11
Frum is one of the architects of Trump lame54 Jan 2020 #13
What is the data behind your claim? ehrnst Jan 2020 #14
He was Bush's speechwriter... lame54 Jan 2020 #15
Again... do you disagree with what was said in the OP? ehrnst Jan 2020 #16
Bolton would be under oath... lame54 Jan 2020 #22
Again... do you disagree with what was said in the OP? ehrnst Jan 2020 #35
+1 Martin Eden Feb 2020 #43
"Architects of Trump" ehrnst Jan 2020 #36
I agreed with those who said it 3 years ago... lame54 Jan 2020 #37
I think it's a good thing for us when conservatives turn on each other - especially when it's Trump. ehrnst Feb 2020 #42
Hortensis, Frum is no moderate. There are no moderates in their party and affiliations irisblue Jan 2020 #17
Frum is no longer a Republican, like many moderate conservatives Hortensis Jan 2020 #21
Former moderate? Agree they are now 100% monolithic Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #23
Frum is a Canadian conservative, luvtheGWN Jan 2020 #29
Sure, why not. But conservative is a personality type first Hortensis Jan 2020 #30
Fact. dalton99a Jan 2020 #3
That's gonna leave a mark! Different Drummer Jan 2020 #5
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2020 #6
Good point! oasis Jan 2020 #7
He lost even with Putin's help. lpbk2713 Jan 2020 #8
I can only hope that if the fraud takes place on a larger scale in Nov. it will be more difficult in2herbs Jan 2020 #25
He wasn't democratically elected because of what James Comey did to hand him the election. StevieM Jan 2020 #12
Comey's words and actions were a huge part of the 2016 election. patphil Jan 2020 #27
What he did was unprecedented, and crickets Jan 2020 #33
We should say stuff like that on TV. Forget Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2020 #19
The term I choose to use is "electoralcolleged" SuprstitionAintthWay Jan 2020 #20
I tried to find the article and couldn't, but the other day a news source wrote that when the in2herbs Jan 2020 #24
53.7 percent of total votes were for SOMEONE ELSE. Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #26
He sure is a SMUG BASTARD.. look at his face... yuiyoshida Jan 2020 #28
Has happened before Remington Jan 2020 #32
Welcome to DU Remington! smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #34
KR! Cha Feb 2020 #38
No Doubt colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #39
Why does it work totally for Republicans? How is it a right wing scam? zackymilly Feb 2020 #40
Obama wasn't running against Russia.... And Comey.... And 25 years of false smears.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #41
In 2012, Donald Trump tweeted that the electoral college system was a 'disaster for a democracy.' keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #44
10 million voted third party. The Wizard Feb 2020 #45
Then why the hell zentrum Feb 2020 #46
This cabal violates property rights - thievery, budget shuffling, asset sales to cronies, bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #47
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