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I'm sorry that Dolan spoke cali Sep 2012 #1
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Bigotry? No...impatience is not bigotry. I am annoyed that the OP msanthrope Sep 2012 #16
wasnt aimed at you. you gave a reasoned argument not a snide little comment loli phabay Sep 2012 #22
I know...but I don't think cali was bigoted. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #31
mayby that was the wrong word to hse but the little snide comment got me loli phabay Sep 2012 #39
disagreement is not bigotry. that's a huge stretch there because someone doesn't agree with you progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #172
bigotry? How fucking cheap, dishonest, and classless could you possibly be? cali Sep 2012 #17
and yet you still felt the need for the little snide dismissive comment loli phabay Sep 2012 #24
The lady protests rightly! arthritisR_US Sep 2012 #26
lol. all the cliches belong to you cali Sep 2012 #66
and yet you do seem to wear them well and with pride loli phabay Sep 2012 #71
Dolan IS a huge bigot obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #118
I'm very disappointed in this post from you Marrah_G Sep 2012 #21
While my feelings are different than Pab Sungenis I find your response painful. Ms. Toad Sep 2012 #65
"Thanks for your little post." /nt yardwork Sep 2012 #74
Galvanized me as well cali goclark Sep 2012 #105
I held my tongue last night because the rest of the night was great Marrah_G Sep 2012 #2
This obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #120
Yes. That, for sure. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #223
I don't think President Obama was 'hippie punching' or 'queer-baiting' bigtree Sep 2012 #3
I did not see the ending convocation. That said, the entire week was one of inclusion & empowerment hlthe2b Sep 2012 #7
of course, it doesn't 'wipe out the entire week' at all bigtree Sep 2012 #10
I wasn't implying you were saying so. Actually, I responded to your post in agreement with you hlthe2b Sep 2012 #18
it was a great week bigtree Sep 2012 #23
I think you all should BE the folks with strong and righteous conviction refusing to accept this. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #90
Lashing out at those who firmly in support of you? hlthe2b Sep 2012 #108
actually, I AM one of the folks refusing to support this bigtree Sep 2012 #164
then I misunderstood. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #186
Here's a transcript muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #106
This was literally what the DNC ended with obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #122
Tone deaf decision... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #131
It was done for the exact same reason anything that caused complaints at this convention was done dmallind Sep 2012 #57
agree bigtree Sep 2012 #60
Does the President choose Dolan, or the DNC? treestar Sep 2012 #59
it's just that bigtree Sep 2012 #68
Maybe, but he may have to delegate a lot and this included treestar Sep 2012 #89
If they have to bring religion into it at all, enlightenment Sep 2012 #112
Good point -- ask clergy from Charlotte or NC obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #123
I don't know why they choose this treestar Sep 2012 #150
Who ever's fault it was....yep there's that lack of accountability again.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #88
I stock shelves for a living bigtree Sep 2012 #159
Glad to hear you say that... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #182
Are you making excuses for it? No, you are not. I said 'excuse making straight people' Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #193
I enjoy your posts and I appreciate the support you are expressing in this thread. yardwork Sep 2012 #197
I think that you may be misunderstanding some posts here. yardwork Sep 2012 #196
Thank you. Jamastiene Sep 2012 #153
Why do you refuse to talk about the background of this conflict? msanthrope Sep 2012 #4
Yes... you are right about the context. hlthe2b Sep 2012 #9
Note that no major gay rights organizations took the bait. BO isn't being msanthrope Sep 2012 #11
still does not mean people cant be annoyed or upset. loli phabay Sep 2012 #46
Absolutely. But posting about not donating is another thing. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #99
Frankly, the excuse that they couldn't tell the man, "no thanks" enlightenment Sep 2012 #114
They had one of the "Nuns on the Bus," and frankly, did you hear a speaker that did not talk about msanthrope Sep 2012 #121
So is everyone on DU required to donate to the Obama campaign? morningfog Sep 2012 #244
Wow, that explains A LOT nobodyspecial Sep 2012 #19
I am not convinced by your assessment of the political consequences of declining the invite. Vattel Sep 2012 #41
It would have started a pissing match because Dolan is a repuke ally and would have whined about it. msanthrope Sep 2012 #102
I think you are just rationalizing a mistake. Vattel Sep 2012 #160
Respectfully, I think you are incorrect. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #163
I was hoping that Dems were finally done with giving their lunch money to RW bullies Zorra Sep 2012 #224
Sounds like doubling down on the wrong to me. suffragette Sep 2012 #247
"Have a pissing match with a Catholic Cardinal 60 days before an election? " NCTraveler Sep 2012 #56
Heck maybe the WomanTM ought to close too treestar Sep 2012 #61
Because if you don't see it, it isn't happening? enlightenment Sep 2012 #116
Of all those claiming to be disappointed in Obama or seeing problems treestar Sep 2012 #149
Some of them might have learned their lesson LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #173
That's a good point deutsey Sep 2012 #72
Well the context changes everything. JoeyT Sep 2012 #73
You are my 7th direct reply. So, yeah, people are addressing my point, thanks. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #104
Sadly you ignored mine. JoeyT Sep 2012 #181
It sounds like they tried. If you recall Obama rebuffed Dolan. joshcryer Sep 2012 #229
May I be the 8th? Or... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #183
The point is Dolan could have spent a lot of time screaming about how Dems are attacking religion jeff47 Sep 2012 #209
Except he *was* rebuffed. Dolan still weaseled his way in there. joshcryer Sep 2012 #230
Perfect if you only think about the convention itself. jeff47 Sep 2012 #240
It's a strategic fail. They should've seen it coming. joshcryer Sep 2012 #228
i felt that way about the president's speech. iemitsu Sep 2012 #5
Well, she ain't running jsmirman Sep 2012 #115
yeah, i know. iemitsu Sep 2012 #188
Can you begin jsmirman Sep 2012 #212
Obama/Biden/Clinton/Granholm: THEY spoke for us. Dolan was rope-a-doped, a useful idiot. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #8
Useful how? ananda Sep 2012 #13
Useful in catching any stray conservative Catholics. "Hey, Ma! Look who spoke for Obama!" WinkyDink Sep 2012 #14
How about next time we get a preacher from Stormfront? Marrah_G Sep 2012 #20
False equivalency jsmirman Sep 2012 #30
problem is thats not how some people see it. you gotta realise we all have different loli phabay Sep 2012 #34
And yet almost the entire Convention rollout is an affront to the issues jsmirman Sep 2012 #43
yup and thats your call to make. i would no more attack you for complaining loli phabay Sep 2012 #50
Unfortunately for us, we know what to expect jsmirman Sep 2012 #53
yup we all ha e different causes and its hard sometimes to wear the other persons heels loli phabay Sep 2012 #55
Equal rights is not a complaint about a souffle. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #93
You've lost the plot. You're complaining about one guy after jsmirman Sep 2012 #125
So you are saying that the mention of LGBT issues was for HIM? So all of those mentions were Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #91
What? That's insanity. jsmirman Sep 2012 #119
I read your post that way, too obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #128
You read it as "this was all a show for Dolan" or jsmirman Sep 2012 #135
Maybe next time Wayne LaPierre can speak Doctor_J Sep 2012 #37
he should have had a speaker from every religion then. you know. to catch all the strays. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #48
The crazy anti gay preacher lives in Maiden obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #126
Giving Dolan the pulpit was a colossal mistake Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #12
Yeah, I just don't understand that ending either. ananda Sep 2012 #15
It didn't end with Dolan, it ended with Obama. Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #25
Don't do that. It ended with Dolan, Dolan had the last and final word, and that word was Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #95
It ended with Dolan, not President Obama obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #129
Don't pull out the "gay" card mick063 Sep 2012 #27
while I'm looking in on this post bigtree Sep 2012 #36
So, our civil rights are now "The Gay Card"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #130
Gay card....really? Marrah_G Sep 2012 #157
What looks like a "card" to you has significant consequences for the lives of real people. sibelian Sep 2012 #161
Good lord - could you be more insulting. DURHAM D Sep 2012 #175
Please think about what you just posted. Would you have said, "Don't push your luck" to a person Heidi Sep 2012 #238
You are fucking kidding, right? dogday Sep 2012 #241
COME ON. See post #4 jsmirman Sep 2012 #28
I've got my ice skates on, and Satan just ordered Hitler to rev up the Zamboni...... msanthrope Sep 2012 #35
Indeed jsmirman Sep 2012 #45
lol is this one of these magical kodak moments ive read about ;) loli phabay Sep 2012 #52
It's like a lemur mating with a goose jsmirman Sep 2012 #54
I can picture it right now dogday Sep 2012 #242
I've been working at Bohunk68 Sep 2012 #29
Well said... SidDithers Sep 2012 #32
Thank you jsmirman Sep 2012 #33
Well said, and thank you! n/t ProSense Sep 2012 #47
thanks to the three of you who responded to me Bohunk68 Sep 2012 #92
Thank you again - so frustrated - this whole thread feels like a Dolan win jsmirman Sep 2012 #132
+ a million. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #171
"Cry babies" obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #138
"Pout"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #137
Thank you Egnever Sep 2012 #180
Well said - It's good to hear that you get it where others here don't. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #192
because romney will be so much better rdking647 Sep 2012 #38
Absurd BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #40
I think it would be good if you sent your complaint to the White House lunatica Sep 2012 #42
Oh silly, we learned from the Rick Warren gig, and we do not do stuff like that...oh nevermind. Safetykitten Sep 2012 #44
You're not going to support Democrats, but ProSense Sep 2012 #49
It was a terrible choice.....I'm going to give the DNC the benefit of the doubt..... marmar Sep 2012 #51
Why wasn't an outspoken racist given a speaking role? The Link Sep 2012 #58
There's a big difference between those two things treestar Sep 2012 #64
You could have any number of religious figures close the convention that supports equality justiceischeap Sep 2012 #96
Maybe a gay clergy person treestar Sep 2012 #111
Jim Wallis, Sister Simone, John Spong, local Charlotte clergy obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #141
Never heard them pray about that treestar Sep 2012 #147
Homophobia is a form of bigotry that's acceptable to the nation jeff47 Sep 2012 #210
Give your money where you want. IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #62
"he had a right to be there" marmar Sep 2012 #67
My misunderstanding was that he wasn't trying to meet anyone even part way. IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #155
Yes, as a matter of fact Dolan did "spew homophobia" and he publicly repudiated the Dem platform. yardwork Sep 2012 #77
Just went and googled the speech - and am appalled. IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #154
I agree with you - it was appalling but in no way ruins the rest of a great convention. yardwork Sep 2012 #176
He spewed homophobia and anti women garnage in his so-called prayer obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #142
My original statements stand, with a subsequent clarification: IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #156
When did he speak, and Pres. Obama and most other speakers stood up for gay ecstatic Sep 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author MicaelS Sep 2012 #69
I turned it off before that. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #70
There's a difference now. The administration has a track record. Prism Sep 2012 #75
I agree. I said that in Zorra's thread about this, too. yardwork Sep 2012 #76
Hey you! Prism Sep 2012 #78
Hey there, buddy. How ya doing? yardwork Sep 2012 #79
Well, this seems reasonable jsmirman Sep 2012 #85
He's earned the break from me Prism Sep 2012 #208
Here's a question jsmirman Sep 2012 #211
I was raised conservative Catholic Prism Sep 2012 #217
You might be right jsmirman Sep 2012 #218
I'm somewhat at a loss, though Prism Sep 2012 #219
But I don't think he's just "Bishop X" jsmirman Sep 2012 #226
He's the Head of the Conference of Bishops Prism Sep 2012 #227
My knowledge is not something I'd go to bat on here jsmirman Sep 2012 #233
The thing about Dolan is that it was an unforced error, DURHAM D Sep 2012 #177
I'm much cagier about the election Prism Sep 2012 #207
As a gay man I am disappointed in Dolan.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #80
+ a gazillion DonRedwood Sep 2012 #84
I'd like to see the Democratic community stand up and reject that message loudly Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #103
agreed...but will you stop voting democrat until you get it? DonRedwood Sep 2012 #189
+ a hundred bazillion. I don't view one incident as a reason to turn my back on my fellow americans. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #170
'Purists' 'ponies'! You know what? This is what drives ME nuts in every election. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #225
Cardinal Dolan thanks you jberryhill Sep 2012 #81
I see what you mean but I understand where the poster is coming from. n/t vaberella Sep 2012 #94
I understand it too jberryhill Sep 2012 #113
The ones that fell for the manipulation were the Democratic leaders.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #140
I believe our Democratic leaders are going to continue to advance the cause of equality jberryhill Sep 2012 #146
He only has the power that the Democratic leaders choose to give him.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #152
+1000 slampoet Sep 2012 #100
In 1975 it was illegal on the West Coast for two men to dance together. DonRedwood Sep 2012 #82
I think having the Cardinal mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2012 #83
I completely respect and support your post. K/R vaberella Sep 2012 #86
How much were you going to donate? cliffordu Sep 2012 #87
You missed a great opportunity. You should've donated Robb Sep 2012 #97
Snort! great white snark Sep 2012 #178
Wow a post from a "gay" contributor that overreacts and offers no facts as to the back ground and slampoet Sep 2012 #98
By challenged you mean bashed? The Link Sep 2012 #101
ugly, disgusting remark n/t DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #109
appalling post obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #143
Jury says it's OK, though. QC Sep 2012 #166
Yeah. Juries. Iggo Sep 2012 #245
I suggest you go and read Dolan's speech. nt sibelian Sep 2012 #162
What are you, twelve years old? Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #185
Wow, a Democratic event featuring anti gay rhetoric to please the Straight Community Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #187
What's up with the scare quotes around gay? LeftyMom Sep 2012 #234
I know some people don't think this is a big deal IVoteDFL Sep 2012 #107
what a childish response. many dems are catholic and deserve representation larkrake Sep 2012 #110
So, all Catholics are anti gay and anti women's rights? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #144
I was shocked he was allowed to speak obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #117
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #124
"Didn't Do Shit For Gays" DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #136
I appreciate your frustration, enlightenment Sep 2012 #127
Well go luck with that. See if you will find what you are looking for any place else. I'm catholic southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #133
So when you see your neighbor subjected to libel and injustice, you just look the other way? Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #184
If my neighbor needed me I would be there in a second. You only can control the tv by muting or southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #195
Repealed DADT and spoke out for Marriage Equality, not defending DOMA....I think he's doing okay TeamPooka Sep 2012 #134
Yes, cuz if we can't get everything right, we shouldn't get anything right. valerief Sep 2012 #139
Dolan also publicly repudiated the Dem platform obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #145
And it was heard by about 6 people. jeff47 Sep 2012 #213
I am glad that you do not speak for every gay person, even though you think that you do. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #148
Pab, yours was never open. We know that. Nt DevonRex Sep 2012 #151
. slampoet Sep 2012 #200
Oh FFS scheming daemons Sep 2012 #158
Who was responsible for booking that colossal asshole? Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #165
I was just going to ask the same question... SoapBox Sep 2012 #167
Well, I suspect this is for the benefit of the site. sibelian Sep 2012 #168
Cool. I think you and your friends will really enjoy life under President Romney. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #169
+ a billion to this jsmirman Sep 2012 #214
What did Obama do to people here? politicasista Sep 2012 #174
Some people just crave discord and seek attention. geek tragedy Sep 2012 #194
Exactly n/t politicasista Sep 2012 #199
Obama personally intervened to change the platform. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #201
Yeah you're NOT their base, though, are you? sibelian Sep 2012 #236
Don't give Dolan's speech the import it doesn't deserve. great white snark Sep 2012 #179
I didn't hear dolan's "speech" but Cha Sep 2012 #190
Yawn. This kind of phony victimhood geek tragedy Sep 2012 #191
It's not just gay folks who are offended, but all feminists and child protection advocates as well. yardwork Sep 2012 #198
Agreed. Puglover Sep 2012 #202
Well, that's nothing new. /nt yardwork Sep 2012 #203
It is progress and I will celebrate with you LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #206
Unfortunately, there's about 40 years of work by conservative religious figures that has to be jeff47 Sep 2012 #216
Wouldn't this statement have more weight behind it had you been doing those things before now? Bolo Boffin Sep 2012 #204
+1...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #205
Wait, TIMOTHY DOLAN did a prayer at the DNC? alp227 Sep 2012 #215
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #220
I alerted on your nasty, offensive, insulting post Marrah_G Sep 2012 #221
I've invited Pab to participate in many events in our shared state of NJ JackBeck Sep 2012 #222
Thank you JackBeck NNN0LHI Sep 2012 #237
Yikes, that don't sound good dogday Sep 2012 #243
so let me get this straight ibegurpard Sep 2012 #231
Thanks so much for saying that Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #232
I wish my conscience would let me do this. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #235
I'm sure I would've been angry if I had watched mitchtv Sep 2012 #239
This guy is just a terrible poster... Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #246
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