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2. Now, Time To Be Fair (unlike our opponents) And Show The Reverse Analysis Of The Extreme Case
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:27 AM
Feb 2020

There are some very populous red states and low population blues, so this contrast of extremes can be done in the reverse, too.

Let's do that. Basing Red or Blue, as above, on Senate delegations.

2019 population in millions
Texas 29.2070
Florida 21.4777
Total 50.6847

Senators: 4, all Republican.
Equals 1 Senate vote per 12.6712 million people.

2019 population in millions
Vermont 0.6263
Delaware 0.9672
Rhode Is. 1.0573
New Hamp.1.3665
Total 4.0173
(one could argue that D.C.'s 0.7025 million residents and 0 senators should be added here; but we won't)

Senators: 8, all Democratic.
Equals 1 Senate vote per 0.5022 million people.

12.6712 mill people/R senator
÷ 0.5022 mill people/D senator
= 25.23

Therefore, the following facts, unhappy ones from the other side's perspective, are also true and could be the basis for this kind of posting on a Republican forum (but won't be, because most of them know by now that the Senate structure favors them massively overall):

A Blue State Vermonter/N.Hampshirite/RhodeIslander/ Delawarean Has 25 TIMES the Political Power In The Senate As A Red State Texan/Floridian.

In those 4 smallest (in population) Blue States the average resident has 25.2 TIMES THE POLITICAL POWER in the Senate as the average resident in those 2 largest (in population) Red States.

The converse of course being, per person, Texans and Floridians have 1/25th the political power in the U.S. Senate as Vermonters, N.Hampshirites, Rhode Islanders, & Delawareans.

Those just 4 MILLION Blue State Americans combined have TWICE the political power in the United States Senate as do all 51 MILLION of those Red State Americans combined. Due, of course to the Senate's wildly undemocratic structure and where those Americans live. The 4 million Americans have 8 senators, all Democratic, and the 51 million Americans have 4 senators, all Republican.


Footnote to the 25 TIMES analysis: Florida became the 2nd largest 2-Repub-senators state only last year. California and NY have both been reliably Blue for a good while, like Texas has been reliably Red.

If one chooses to do the analysis using the 2nd largest "reliably Red" state, Georgia, 10.6174 million population, the results change as follows:

The 2-largest Red States total population falls from 50.6847 to 39.8244 million, i.e. to 40 million compared to the 2-largest Blue States total of 59 million people. The constituents per senator falls from 12.6712 to 9.9561 million, i.e. 10 million compared to the 2-largest Blue States' 15 million constituents per senator. And the ratio of the 4 million residents of the smallest Blue States' power in the Senate, per resident, compared to the average for the 40 million residents to these two large Red States, falls from a factor of 25 to a factor of 20.

To 19.8, more precisely*, using Texas/Georgia instead of Texas/Florida (I still can't fathom ANYbody wanting Rick Scott over Bill Nelson). Compared to a factor of 40.2 for the reverse comparison of extremes in the first post.

* 9.9561 mill people/R senator
÷ 0.5022 mill people/D senator
= 19.82

(Note that similar points could be made about North Dakota's senate delgation, which also became 1-party only last year; and NH's did just 3 years ago. But the resulting numbers change very little if we choose to replace small states with the next-smallest with one-party delegations.)


So. People in ALL large states are getting screwed, badly, in terms of their political representation. And people in ALL small states are being just insanely over-represented... they have WAAAAAAAY more power in the Senate than, well, anything could reasonably justify. These disparities apply for all large vs small states be they blue, red, or purple.

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There is a reason a bicameral legislature was called "The Great Compromise" Zolorp Feb 2020 #1
Yep. SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #9
I've found it interesting to consider how they only NEEDED all or almost... SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #27
You're making unsupported assumptions FBaggins Feb 2020 #28
Pennsylvania was the 2nd most populous state in 1790, NC was 3rd (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Feb 2020 #30
Now, Time To Be Fair (unlike our opponents) And Show The Reverse Analysis Of The Extreme Case SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #2
Rural white voters - whether Dems or Repubs - are the prime beneficiaries radius777 Feb 2020 #26
Unrec, trashing. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #3
fascinating & revealing reaction SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #14
A solution? DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #4
Easiest fix is to add states Drb2072 Feb 2020 #5
Making DC a state will almost certainly require a constitutional amendment Jake Stern Feb 2020 #7
But The Structural Disadvantage Against Democrats In The Senate Is Pronounced SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #6
These Grossly-Undemocratic-Senate Comparisons Can Be Done Almost Endless Numbers Of Ways SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #8
As has been pointed out many times here PBC_Democrat Feb 2020 #10
I think everybody here already knows that* so I'm not getting the point of your reply. SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #12
What I'm saying is ... PBC_Democrat Feb 2020 #20
The Senate confirms justices for SCOTUS, radius777 Feb 2020 #25
That's why they call it the tyranny of the minority. matt819 Feb 2020 #11
If it's the Republican Senate, just assume most Americans are being bulldozed over. SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #29
That is the way the Constitution was written. MicaelS Feb 2020 #13
I disagree with that. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #15
You're speaking very much for yourself there. Not for me, or for many others I know. SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #16
You maybe correct, but I am a cynic. MicaelS Feb 2020 #17
I agree we don't have ready ways out of problems that are becoming increasingly untenable. SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #18
If the situation were reversed, the Rs would be screaming about how unfair it was Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #21
using the same math, how over represented in the house is California and New York? Remington Feb 2020 #19
The reps in California represent more people Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #22
The business-as-usual, must-preserve-the-Founders'-1789-design fans SuprstitionAintthWay Feb 2020 #23
Many people here are still living by a river in Egypt. n/t Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #24
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