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MuseRider

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85. I agree but the good thing,

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:16 PM

Feb 2020

like you said, is that they have many many pieces of paper so counting the votes by hand might be tedious and take a while we will know in the end what happened.

These days, when something like this happens, it is so very easy for many of us to think it is a conspiracy. Why not think that? We have been cheated out of the only real way to ensure our elections are fair and the results are correct. This should be a lesson. Take the time to count them by hand. We can wait, spoiled little children that we are, we can actually wait.

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Iowa doesn't smell right [View all] angrychair Feb 2020 OP

"..and was untested and no end user had been trained .." 😮😮😮 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #1

Unforgivable. Period. Buns_of_Fire Feb 2020 #4

+1, someone should've spoken up and told them deploy a production app for that many people in 2 ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #7

That is certainly true fescuerescue Feb 2020 #57

Latest most informative post I have read...true or not?... jmg257 Feb 2020 #2

I get their point angrychair Feb 2020 #11

Agreed. This is the DNC post yesterday - "Three years to prepare..." jmg257 Feb 2020 #12

DNC didn't do it Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #30

Plus justie18 Feb 2020 #34

Some don't want facts, they just want a scapegoat still_one Feb 2020 #41

Apparently, Nevada is supposed to use the same APP! n/t aggiesal Feb 2020 #50

Great point - thanks! nt jmg257 Feb 2020 #77

IT professionals and cybersecurity people fescuerescue Feb 2020 #54

Reports can definitely be wrong w/o the underlying data being questionable ... mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #88

I get that angrychair Feb 2020 #95

democracy gets post-poned due to a coding issue. Javaman Feb 2020 #17

No, it doesn't. It's an end user issue. And our nation has gone through this before. ancianita Feb 2020 #39

why thank you for the obnoxious correction. Javaman Feb 2020 #91

You gave your opinion. I gave mine. Block away. ancianita Feb 2020 #93

Did the Russians hack the app? Is that why not all votes were counted? Perseus Feb 2020 #31

You ask and answer your own question. What is your point. ancianita Feb 2020 #40

Of course they have the best of intentions. defacto7 Feb 2020 #56

One mistake does not make the case for any other also-flawed system, though, does it. ancianita Feb 2020 #66

Yeah, that was my first thought. This is the work of Shorty Putin's goon squad. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #58

They fucked it up - not a real stretch to understand. They found the coding error jmg257 Feb 2020 #79

Allow me to play devils advocate Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #109

How many years of experience did the dev team have? woundedkarma Feb 2020 #32

If the data was recorded properly, ... Forever Blue Feb 2020 #75

Perhaps this belongs in primaries? cwydro Feb 2020 #3

You are probably smelling all those cows. Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2020 #5

Lol angrychair Feb 2020 #9

And pigs. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #21

50 shades of brown Mendocino Feb 2020 #43

And a healthy GOP jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #51

Another reason to just have voting machines. Historic NY Feb 2020 #6

Oh yeah, voting machines. That oughtta do the trick... AllyCat Feb 2020 #64

Not all voting machines are crap. SergeStorms Feb 2020 #73

Ah, my bad. THAT kind of machine. AllyCat Feb 2020 #86

Oh, I agree 100%. SergeStorms Feb 2020 #108

2000 Election Rider3 Feb 2020 #8

You're absolutely right. Baitball Blogger Feb 2020 #10

I concur 100 percent. defacto7 Feb 2020 #46

You know, all we really needed was a drama free, unquestioned procedure from you Iowa. Arthur_Frain Feb 2020 #13

Exactly angrychair Feb 2020 #15

Caucusing isn't difficult, but it should have been phased out long ago. Arthur_Frain Feb 2020 #19

If they had tried. gibraltar72 Feb 2020 #14

Lack of situational awareness. moondust Feb 2020 #16

This clearly demonstrates the need for paper ballots. 33taw Feb 2020 #18

This times 1 million. Arthur_Frain Feb 2020 #20

This needs to be the narrative going forward. 33taw Feb 2020 #22

There is paper, everything is recorded on official forms Bettie Feb 2020 #59

Canada elects their federal government with hand counted paper ballots OnlinePoker Feb 2020 #67

They don't have to be hand counted, just auditable. 33taw Feb 2020 #90

Voting by an app is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived. Initech Feb 2020 #23

Open-Source Software--You get what you pay for. Almost all not reviewed, and many done by hackers. TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #24

That's just a hog confinement. marble falls Feb 2020 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author apcalc Feb 2020 #26

I believe the accounts receivable part of any business billing program could have handled the job. Prosper Feb 2020 #27

As an IT professional then...you know this kind of thing happens all the time... cbdo2007 Feb 2020 #28

More common Nasruddin Feb 2020 #33

See video games for many many examples of ruined releases due to bad launch. Brainfodder Feb 2020 #52

Not just games but games are a very visibile example fescuerescue Feb 2020 #68

I agree. Brainfodder Feb 2020 #80

absolute failure of preparation and training. Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #29

What did the DNC have to do with the decisions made by the IDP? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #35

The DNC is many people's favorite whipping boy I guess. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #74

Sounds like more development time and testing went into "Angry Birds". patphil Feb 2020 #36

The same thing happened for the Romney campaign in 2012 bearsfootball516 Feb 2020 #38

who exactly owns this software? China and Ivanka? bonniebgood Feb 2020 #37

HANLON'S RAZOR Roland99 Feb 2020 #42

Assume that everyone in power failed upward and they're too stupid to be a threat. FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #65

It will look great tonight when Iowa results displace SOTU bloviation bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #44

Well, there is that Bettie Feb 2020 #60

I smell Russia Botany Feb 2020 #45

I don't give a damn if Perez had nothing to do with this, gab13by13 Feb 2020 #47

Does Perez ever say anything? Bettie Feb 2020 #49

I do actually know what is going on Bettie Feb 2020 #48

Thank you!!! h2ebits Feb 2020 #71

XKCD: Voting Software TomVilmer Feb 2020 #53

This rules. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #62

... angrychair Feb 2020 #100

Does czarina own the license, patents or stock in this company? 2naSalit Feb 2020 #55

I keep going back to one word: Russia. calimary Feb 2020 #61

Iowa has had caucuses for decades without this problem IronLionZion Feb 2020 #63

Stock Market doesn't smell right either - up 497 points bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #69

There are puppetmasters pulling the strings and we are all being jerked around IronLionZion Feb 2020 #102

People went home Tweedy Feb 2020 #70

You have old data angrychair Feb 2020 #99

Patience Tweedy Feb 2020 #105

Shouldn't this be in the primaries forum? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2020 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author wyldwolf Feb 2020 #76

Yeah. Usually when something doesn't smell right around election processes, ooky Feb 2020 #78

Yes indeed. TryLogic Feb 2020 #83

Agree. I don't understand is why the paper reports have not been tallied by now. Politicub Feb 2020 #81

It's all on paper angrychair Feb 2020 #98

"Voting by an app is one of the dumbest ideas ever conceived." TryLogic Feb 2020 #82

I've seen companies do equally stupid things Algernon Moncrieff Feb 2020 #84

I agree but the good thing, MuseRider Feb 2020 #85

Has anyone in the Iowa Democratic Party thought, .... Forever Blue Feb 2020 #87

This is the result of Sanders constant attack on Democrats. As an IT man you are well aware of krissey Feb 2020 #89

This reminds me of the three rules of software development: Buns_of_Fire Feb 2020 #92

They Broke Every Rule DallasNE Feb 2020 #94

I suspect all kinds of stuff right now nini Feb 2020 #96

Caucuses are stupid. I used to live in Iowa and they are such a mess. My husband works nights so he Luciferous Feb 2020 #97

1976 was 44 years ago. earthside Feb 2020 #104

Everyone in the room knows the numbers. They can't change Pisces Feb 2020 #101

Bernie getting screwed again Remington Feb 2020 #103

"DNC needs to be investigated..." ehrnst Feb 2020 #106

Sorry angrychair Feb 2020 #107