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OnDoutside

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28. I don't know where Brookings are coming from in saying that VAT is a "progressive" tax. The rich
Wed Feb 5, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

pay exactly the same VAT as poor people, but as a percentage of income, it's a drop in the ocean, compared to poor people, where it places an increased economic strain on lower-income taxpayers and also adds bureaucratic burdens for businesses.

Value-added taxation is based on taxpayers’ consumption rather than their income. In contrast to a progressive income tax, which levies greater taxes on higher-level earners, VAT applies equally to every purchase.

Here in Ireland, we have

Value Added Tax (VAT) is a tax charged on the sale of most goods and services in Ireland

VAT is charged at different rates for various goods and services. These are the current VAT rates in Ireland that are in place for 2020 .

(The only change from 2019 is that VAT of 13.5% is now charged on food supplements)

23% is the standard rate of VAT.
All goods and services that do not fall into the reduced rate categories are charged at this rate. See below for reduced VAT rates.

13.5% : This lower rate of VAT is charged on items including
fuel (coal, heating oil, gas), electricity, (It is 5% in the UK)
vet fees,
building and building services,
agricultural contracting services,
short-term car hire,
cleaning and maintenance services.
Catering and restaurant supplies, including vending machines and take-away food (excluding alcohol and soft drinks sold as part of the meal)
Food Supplements
Hotel lettings, including guesthouses, caravan parks, camping sites etc
Cinemas, theatres, certain musical performances, museums, art gallery exhibitions
Fairgrounds or amusement park services
Hairdressing services.
9% is a special reduced rate of VAT for
newspapers
Facilities for taking part in sporting activities including green fees charged for golf and subscriptions charged by non-member-owned golf clubs.
electronically supplied publications
More here on the 9% VAT Rate

4.8% is a rate of VAT specifically for agriculture.
It applies to livestock (excluding chickens), greyhounds and the hire of horses.

0% (Zero) VAT
Most food including Tea, coffee, milk, bread, butter, cheese , milk , vegetables, meat, etc. (Not when supplied from a vending machine or in the course of catering and NOTt food supplements such as slimming or sports supplements and protien supplements)

Books, children’s clothes and children’s shoes,
Oral medicine for humans and animals,
Vegetable seeds and fruit trees, fertilisers, large animal feed,
Disability aids such as wheelchairs, crutches and hearing aids.
All exports,

VAT Exempt :
There is no VAT on financial, medical or educational services.
You should also not pay VAT for live theatrical and musical performances (except those where food or drink is served during all or part of the performance)

In Ireland – you can buy goods from outside the EU up to a value of €22 without incurring any VAT charges

VAT rates in the UK
In the UK – the standard VAT rate is 20%
There is a 5% VAT rate on home energy , children’s car seats
Zero VAT on most food and children’s clothes.



http://www.moneyguideireland.com/vat-rates-in-ireland-to-increase.html

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Never count on the rich Cartoonist Feb 2020 #1
It also hits companies who currently avoid federal taxes altogether. redqueen Feb 2020 #2
It wasn't just one item. Cartoonist Feb 2020 #8
VAT alone is regressive. VAT+UBI is very progressive. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #9
In the EU the value added tax is about 15%. It's a sales tax so it comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #3
Businesses sell to each other as well. Many very profitable businesses do not pay any federal taxes redqueen Feb 2020 #7
"Value added tax is a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #10
In theory yes. In practice no. redqueen Feb 2020 #11
The point is that most of it then comes back to everyone via the UBI muriel_volestrangler Feb 2020 #13
In the US we have neither UBI nor VAT. Good luck enacting a comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #14
You don't have Medicare for All, either muriel_volestrangler Feb 2020 #16
What you say is true. PETRUS Feb 2020 #17
Yes, I prefer separate taxes for the financial industry issues. redqueen Feb 2020 #18
Yeah, I also think an FTT is a good idea. PETRUS Feb 2020 #19
Thanks! redqueen Feb 2020 #20
Why cant we just legalize a definitional distinction between income and wages? Volaris Feb 2020 #21
Because lobbyists. redqueen Feb 2020 #27
Thanks for the info. safeinOhio Feb 2020 #4
One wonders why we don't already have it, since it hits businesses so effectively. redqueen Feb 2020 #6
I imagine a lot of voters wouldn't be in favor of a national sales tax on everything they buy? MichMan Feb 2020 #12
It can be tailored to exempt necessities redqueen Feb 2020 #15
If it were SPECIFICALLY APPLIED to paying off the national debt, I'd be in favor of that. Volaris Feb 2020 #22
Do you think it would be a winning issue for a campaign? MichMan Feb 2020 #23
The gop makes hay out of the national debt n deficit whenever a democratic occupant Volaris Feb 2020 #24
Right? redqueen Feb 2020 #25
That won't help people. redqueen Feb 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Cartoonist Feb 2020 #5
I don't know where Brookings are coming from in saying that VAT is a "progressive" tax. The rich OnDoutside Feb 2020 #28
Read it again - VAT + UBI progressive redqueen Feb 2020 #29
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