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mwooldri

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121. I am troubled at this prayer.

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 02:03 PM

Sep 2012

The pro-life bit... well I read it as being pro all life, and pro healthy births.

But that highlighted paragraph in the OP? I see it as troublesome. But then do we need to remake marriage and families (the institutions God gave us - I agree with your assumption it is)? Who says they need to be re-made? Marriage is between two (or possibly more) consenting adults. Family - is either by blood, adoption, or decision of individuals to be with each other "till death", or through marriage. I don't think in God's eyes they are broken. So that underlined part is null and void - I don't think God views them as broken and they don't need to be remade.

And replacing the moral law with idols of our own making? He means replacing God with a false god? What's moral law anyway? Moral law is what society deems to be right and just and is not God made. I equate "idol" in the biblical sense to mean the same as "god" and not the Abrahamic God.

That part of his prayer doesn't make sense, is a load of gobbledegook and well... is a reflection of himself than that of God.

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Dolan took a swipe at the LGBT community and marriage equality in his prayer at the DNC. [View all] Zorra Sep 2012 OP

i turned it off barbtries Sep 2012 #1

N-Dimensional chess, probably. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #19

I wish I had - Dolan leaves a sour taste bhikkhu Sep 2012 #68

of course he did. he's an arrogant self righteous pig who xchrom Sep 2012 #2

I hit the mute button as soon he was announced. Chorophyll Sep 2012 #3

did you really expect anything different? hobbit709 Sep 2012 #4

No. But it's best never to be silent about the things that matter. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #6

+1 yardwork Sep 2012 #32

We have some in the leadership of the Dem Party who believe that not mentioning sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #136

This ^. Great post. Thanks. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #156

Very interesting and important historical analysis. Thank you! yardwork Sep 2012 #160

"Idols of our own making" ought to include... CBHagman Sep 2012 #5

+1 million! caraher Sep 2012 #56

"Idols of our own making" ought to include... AlbertCat Sep 2012 #65

Ignornant POS... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #7

I doubt if anyone was actually listening MrScorpio Sep 2012 #8

That's interesteing as those who made this decision and many on Du insisted that if he was Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #39

Yup, that's how it's ALWAYS worked on DU when it comes to us. closeupready Sep 2012 #43

Sadly for them, there are actual viewer numbers in TV, for each half hour Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #73

Lol. cliffordu Sep 2012 #79

As soon as Dolan was announced.. ananda Sep 2012 #9

Oh, they picked him because he's a powerful American catholic leader HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #93

#1: He can suck my ass. #2: if he actually looked at nature he'd see dudes doing dudes regularly. Kurovski Sep 2012 #10

he'd see dudes doing dudes regularly AlbertCat Sep 2012 #67

in the animal world it's not as common. Kurovski Sep 2012 #75

I was speaking of nature, natural...animal...world. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #85

Yep. Their arguments were always crap, but they are just crumbling. Kurovski Sep 2012 #87

Probably 80% of the population here in this country are movonne Sep 2012 #129

My theory on religious folks (and others) who think you can choose to be gay, Kurovski Sep 2012 #153

I agree that his "prayer" was disgusting and his presence was insulting. beac Sep 2012 #11

To those who think no one saw this: DNC night one drew nearly 30 million viewers, last night Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #71

He also spoke against womens reproductive rights Marrah_G Sep 2012 #12

I totally agree... truebrit71 Sep 2012 #14

I'll never understand this Robyn66 Sep 2012 #13

See post 16...he wasn't 'invited.'. The repukes tried to make a culture msanthrope Sep 2012 #17

Better to just not have public prayers at political events. Mariana Sep 2012 #45

You are absolutely right Robyn66 Sep 2012 #126

No offense, but it is up to 'Christians' to separate themselves from the haters. That is their job. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #47

You seem to have had a tough time at the hands of some so called "christians" Robyn66 Sep 2012 #133

"People of faith" MNBrewer Sep 2012 #77

You miss the poster's point Scootaloo Sep 2012 #127

I apologize if that was your impression Robyn66 Sep 2012 #137

I respect your right to feel that way Robyn66 Sep 2012 #135

That did it for me. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #15

I hate that he was there too Ineeda Sep 2012 #46

He was asked to be there. Deal with truth not fiction. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #48

Don't assume what I do or don't care about. Ineeda Sep 2012 #150

Yeah, don't pretend he "forced his way in" MNBrewer Sep 2012 #80

That did it for you? Egnever Sep 2012 #161

The only person responsible for Dolan's presence is Dolan. Your posts never reflect msanthrope Sep 2012 #16

oh ok :) Robyn66 Sep 2012 #23

Another important point: Marriage equality is part of the Democratic platform. yardwork Sep 2012 #33

This. Maven Sep 2012 #134

Hey there, buddy! How are you? yardwork Sep 2012 #143

I'm good, my dear friend. How are you? Maven Sep 2012 #146

I'm doing well. It's nice to be here today, isn't it? yardwork Sep 2012 #147

It sure is. Maven Sep 2012 #148

Smile. yardwork Sep 2012 #149

Simple, really Doctor_J Sep 2012 #35

Yes, I agree. Not every Catholic cleric is a bigot. We should have invited someone else stevenleser Sep 2012 #58

DNC planners should still have figured out a better option than to have him there. stevenleser Sep 2012 #66

Apparently the local bishop is customary....but of course, once Dolan started talking about how he msanthrope Sep 2012 #106

the local bishop is no prize either dsc Sep 2012 #118

Excellent post! AlbertCat Sep 2012 #70

I think that Dolan is slime appal_jack Sep 2012 #76

DNC should have declined Dolan's offer and engaged a liberal Catholic speaker instead. Zorra Sep 2012 #152

But we were assured "It'll just be a quick, routine blessing -- it's not a sermon." MNBrewer Sep 2012 #18

It was a political speech Marrah_G Sep 2012 #22

I knew it would be. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #27

According to Jesus who was once said to be the Top Dog in Christendom all public prayer is Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #50

Direct violation of JC's own words. Matthew 6:5-8 MNBrewer Sep 2012 #82

HuffPo live stream switched off before Dolan. Few people saw him, thank goodness. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #20

I still don't know why this guy was invited to speak. Renew Deal Sep 2012 #21

I give the context upthread...he invited himself and the DNC msanthrope Sep 2012 #26

It would not have been a big deal to say no. Vattel Sep 2012 #31

I live in Pennsylvania. You had better believe it would have been, in the words of Joe Biden, msanthrope Sep 2012 #107

Because we must always pander to people that don't vote for Democrats anyway? Vattel Sep 2012 #122

No, you just avoid kicking up a hornet's nest. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #124

Maybe you are right Vattel Sep 2012 #142

Which was a win win for the right wing. zeemike Sep 2012 #69

I hate to say it - I can't stand the guy but it was a smart move LynneSin Sep 2012 #141

See this thread for some hypothesized explanations MNBrewer Sep 2012 #30

been there... Raster Sep 2012 #53

Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #62

And his presence and words are somehow supposed to influence this?? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #83

Hey, man WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #91

I turned it off when he took the stage. Ticked me off to have all mnhtnbb Sep 2012 #24

I didn't know he was at the DNC amuse bouche Sep 2012 #25

Just as much a swipe at women's rights... and that "idol" bit... Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #28

Apologies are for children and Obama's a grown man. Iggo Sep 2012 #29

Ever notice a RW prayer sounds more like casting a spell? Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #34

Always an open invitation to tired-ass stupid town. Kurovski Sep 2012 #37

Compare today's crap with FDR: Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #117

he carefully sidesteps the request for nationally mandated day of prayer Kurovski Sep 2012 #151

You see, we cannot understand the strategy of this, we never do, we just can't...until it backfires. Safetykitten Sep 2012 #36

*like* :) MNBrewer Sep 2012 #84

Didn't watch it. I only watched Obama's speech. I shut everything off after Obama's speech, MineralMan Sep 2012 #38

I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve your message. Frank Cannon Sep 2012 #40

I wish Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson, or Sr. Simone Campbell had given the benediction OmahaBlueDog Sep 2012 #41

Jakes is a huge homophobe, calls gay people 'broken' and is in general one of the most pernicious Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #51

What does his being on the short list for popehood have to do with anything? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #86

I consider it bad juju to not listen to a prayer, but partway thru FailureToCommunicate Sep 2012 #42

many on this thread insist that 'no one saw it' on national TV... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #54

There seems to be a few common responses to this. The Link Sep 2012 #44

Thats common practice here FreeState Sep 2012 #128

Should not have been allowed to speak at the DNC. Scuba Sep 2012 #49

Dolan proved himself to be a complete hypocrite LiberalEsto Sep 2012 #52

I watched to see if he would do something like that, and caught it immediately. stevenleser Sep 2012 #55

Dolan and his ilk know that the straight community has their backs and they are immune from Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #57

Not all straights my friend, but too many. The Link Sep 2012 #61

I did not say all of them, now did I stranger? Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #114

Ignorant Sot. LGBT members DO nurture life and contribute to the community.... NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #59

Barf. WilliamPitt Sep 2012 #60

I thought they told the ass h*le no. n/t BlueToTheBone Sep 2012 #63

That line is what the fuss is about? Good Lord. aquart Sep 2012 #64

He doesn't have to marry divorced straight couples in NY HockeyMom Sep 2012 #72

I like to think of myself as a "recovering Catholic" Oilwellian Sep 2012 #74

You are overreacting badtoworse Sep 2012 #78

"Party Down"! That's what I expect. Just like the Dieties of old. Kurovski Sep 2012 #81

I expect the Democrats not to invite a retrograde bigot to be the cherry on top of the sundae MNBrewer Sep 2012 #88

Wow. -1000. So much obfuscation, so little time. closeupready Sep 2012 #89

I think poster is speaking ironically, from perspective of the "faith". Kurovski Sep 2012 #92

Oh - that may be, though closeupready Sep 2012 #94

Who knows, but you still made excellent points. Kurovski Sep 2012 #96

See response below. The Link Sep 2012 #98

Okee-dokee then. Kurovski Sep 2012 #99

I make judgements all the time. Everyone does. badtoworse Sep 2012 #97

Your hateful hocus-pocus has no place closeupready Sep 2012 #100

Here here!!!!!! (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #101

+1 AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #105

You drive legislative policy by winning elections... badtoworse Sep 2012 #108

God probably told you that...? closeupready Sep 2012 #119

All the more reason not to invite him in the first place. AngryOldDem Sep 2012 #103

Do share with us: what is "God's law?" Maven Sep 2012 #132

It depends on which religion you are talking about; there are many different interpretations. badtoworse Sep 2012 #138

Well, now you're stating it in relative terms Maven Sep 2012 #139

You asked a broad question about God's law, so a broad answer was appropriate badtoworse Sep 2012 #158

You won't have to wait very long. Maven Sep 2012 #159

There shouldn't even be prayer at these things. Keep it in the churches or in your own home Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #90

Damn straight!! Kurovski Sep 2012 #95

What about Dolan's comments concerning abortion? Frances Sep 2012 #102

Zorra, I love you dear. But why, oh why DevonRex Sep 2012 #104

Yes, it can actually have a positive result. olegramps Sep 2012 #111

Oh, I can't watch any RW asshole speak, ever. I'm serious. Zorra Sep 2012 #154

Absolutely you are. You know that. DevonRex Sep 2012 #155

I saw Dolan BlueInPhilly Sep 2012 #109

That is so fucking offensive, to claim all homophobes are really gay. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #115

What are you talking about? BlueInPhilly Sep 2012 #123

If this guy hadn't become a priest, he'd have gone into theater. closeupready Sep 2012 #120

Make your case TrogL Sep 2012 #130

Gay? I thought he was homophobic. sibelian Sep 2012 #140

"we are the people supporting Democrats" hfojvt Sep 2012 #110

LOL. There's not even one single true thing in your post, except for the subject line quote. Zorra Sep 2012 #157

It upsets me that the Democrats had that piece of crap give the closing prayer. Alduin Sep 2012 #112

Why was this protector of child rapists allowed to speak? Dawson Leery Sep 2012 #113

Why even offer a prayer? Is this a political convetion or a jesus convention? n/t D23MIURG23 Sep 2012 #116

I am troubled at this prayer. mwooldri Sep 2012 #121

Recommended and kicked. William769 Sep 2012 #125

Fuck him, he's irrelevant Maven Sep 2012 #131

Who invited him? AlinPA Sep 2012 #144

wow, 143 responses... AnotherDreamWeaver Sep 2012 #145