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guillaumeb

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64. Hate and anger are corrosive.

Sun Feb 9, 2020, 06:05 PM

Feb 2020

They truly are. Hating someone requires such a negative emotional investment.

I have read of the "Donnie dimwit" label. And that would certainly explain some of his anger.

But not everyone who is abused becomes an abuser. Trump must take the blame for that.

As to his delusion, it is matched, in my view, by the delusion exhibited by his most fanatical supporters.

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What type of household was Trump raised in that he turned out so damaged? [View all] guillaumeb Feb 2020 OP

No MFM008 Feb 2020 #1

And so sad, to be cut off from normal emotions. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #2

I still remember a Keith Olbermann Resistance video about dewsgirl Feb 2020 #28

I'm so glad you posted this one. BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #37

I miss him too, I followed him forever after the Resistance dewsgirl Feb 2020 #86

I bet his father talked like that treestar Feb 2020 #81

I loathe people that treat dogs like that.😔 dewsgirl Feb 2020 #83

Our dog died this year at age almost 16 y.o. at140 Feb 2020 #176

I am so sorry, I lost mine this year also. She was my best dewsgirl Feb 2020 #183

Oh, thank you for that clip! jls4561 Feb 2020 #96

Adorable story, I love dogs.❤ dewsgirl Feb 2020 #100

Lol MLAA Feb 2020 #204

Who was our last President who didn't have a pet? Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #179

That's not entirely fair - Trump does in fact have two pets Berlin Expat Feb 2020 #191

They are more like well-trained livestock Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #199

He was born Faux pas Feb 2020 #3

I think he was socialized/raised to be that way. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #4

I think he Faux pas Feb 2020 #10

True, many with personality disorders were called trouble makers. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #13

Or CEOs, Captains of industry, leaders. lunatica Feb 2020 #46

Very true. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #52

so all the people who voted for him want to be like him bdamomma Feb 2020 #90

Yeah........... MyOwnPeace Feb 2020 #82

I read that his parents "caught" him abusing small animals and that they trickyguy Feb 2020 #149

I believe everything Faux pas Feb 2020 #152

Ahhhhh....military school. SergeStorms Feb 2020 #181

You would think cadet bone spurs would never claim equal footing mercuryblues Feb 2020 #197

no. blaming the "parents" or "upbringing" stopdiggin Feb 2020 #29

I in no way seek to excuse Trump, or the choices he made. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #35

I agree........ MyOwnPeace Feb 2020 #84

Nature or nuture? It's some of both but from what OregonBlue Feb 2020 #93

Why would she have the chauffer dress in a mink coat? VWolf Feb 2020 #133

Why were the quarters dressed in a mink coat? LisaM Feb 2020 #138

And greedy and clueless VWolf Feb 2020 #139

Too funny!! OregonBlue Feb 2020 #168

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #108

No. It's actually not. The family is a microcosm environment and has a profound effect Texin Feb 2020 #131

will acknowledge all of your very good information stopdiggin Feb 2020 #136

Absolutely! There's a whole 'nother set of issues he displays. Texin Feb 2020 #186

It isn't simple. Caliman73 Feb 2020 #208

At least one of his parents, probably his father, was probably also a malignant narcissist. pnwmom Feb 2020 #44

Melania Trump is her own, separate mass of pathologies. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #48

Maternal instincts??? bdamomma Feb 2020 #89

I told my hubby a couple weeks ago that Trump does not 42bambi Feb 2020 #122

I think you are both correct; it is both a hardware AND a software problem. King_Klonopin Feb 2020 #195

Thank you for the insights. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #200

I agree. His home life was probably not helpful 2naSalit Feb 2020 #30

I was raised in a houseful Faux pas Feb 2020 #130

I also think he was born that way. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #62

BINGO! MyOwnPeace Feb 2020 #85

I grew up with abusive and neglectful parents Bettie Feb 2020 #94

yea team! Piasladic Feb 2020 #158

I was very lucky to have her Bettie Feb 2020 #167

Twins separated at birth who grow up to lead OregonBlue Feb 2020 #169

He does not have any empathy bdamomma Feb 2020 #104

Failure to evolve Faux pas Feb 2020 #129

he was psychologically damaged and then ginnyinWI Feb 2020 #147

Yea FP DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #173

There is no ONE thing. People are a complex combination of things. Caliman73 Feb 2020 #207

He's damaged because he's drug-addled or has a undiagnosed STD. Which I wouldn't be ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #5

That certainly describes much of what we see in Trump's actions. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #6

General paresis of the insane, perhaps? struggle4progress Feb 2020 #27

Can Xanax be snorted?????? DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #174

The problem is that there are no consequences. KatyaR Feb 2020 #7

And his damage affects the rest of us. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #8

No consequences for him, that is pandr32 Feb 2020 #80

All of us bdamomma Feb 2020 #98

A grandpa that sold women and girls. A father in the KKK. I dunno, how did the man krissey Feb 2020 #9

A history of family dysfunction? eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #14

Imagine the conversations in that house about women, girls and black. Dysfunction? krissey Feb 2020 #17

Indeed. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #18

I honestly believe that a big part of his pathology is genetic. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #65

Hostile rejecting father, alcoholic mother and brother Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #11

I do not know. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #15

His brother was an alcoholic kskiska Feb 2020 #32

Hmm.... bdamomma Feb 2020 #101

As I listen to his language PatSeg Feb 2020 #12

Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #16

He was probably told to man up or PatSeg Feb 2020 #23

and he turn bdamomma Feb 2020 #103

Unfortunately PatSeg Feb 2020 #110

I kind of think his defects start in the brain, BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2020 #190

Yes he does have bdamomma Feb 2020 #102

I certainly wouldn't make any PatSeg Feb 2020 #105

scary situation bdamomma Feb 2020 #118

Yes, I am truly scared PatSeg Feb 2020 #123

Plus insufficient accountability. moondust Feb 2020 #19

I've wondered about this for a long time. MoonRiver Feb 2020 #20

Exactly. Probably a genetic predisposition reinforced by terrible family. Midnight Writer Feb 2020 #24

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. MoonRiver Feb 2020 #66

Self-centered, shallow, pretentious, regimented klook Feb 2020 #21

wow it was inbred bdamomma Feb 2020 #109

Yeah, makes me appreciate anew klook Feb 2020 #116

An article on what he was like as a child CentralMass Feb 2020 #22

I read that when he was a kid, he threw rocks at a baby... Dave Starsky Feb 2020 #25

thank you. all kinds of people have very unfortunate childhoods stopdiggin Feb 2020 #31

He does things for laughs??? bdamomma Feb 2020 #112

Or for a laugh. CentralMass Feb 2020 #26

maybe bullied in military school? Demovictory9 Feb 2020 #33

He was the bully from what I've read. SMC22307 Feb 2020 #114

Good question! FM123 Feb 2020 #34

He was treated harshly and not given much affection. Desert grandma Feb 2020 #36

Jr was the son involved in that incident DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #180

Does anyone else find it ironic that he never talks about his family? llmart Feb 2020 #38

He is very damaged. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #40

You're right. llmart Feb 2020 #42

Very damaged. bdamomma Feb 2020 #113

In N.Korea, Kim followed Kim. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #119

Both Hitler and Stalin Berlin Expat Feb 2020 #193

He tells everyone his father only gave him a million dollars lunatica Feb 2020 #63

"Only" a million. llmart Feb 2020 #74

and he pissed bdamomma Feb 2020 #115

Mary Trump: Mariana Feb 2020 #39

I see where Trump inherited his hair. eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #41

Oh man, is this a Norman Bates situation? nuxvomica Feb 2020 #45

Mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! guillaumeb Feb 2020 #49

LOL - It sure ain't Norman Rockwell! Totally Tunsie Feb 2020 #182

I believe you meant inhairited. dchill Feb 2020 #127

Trump's "inhairitance" seesm to have decreased. eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #155

Doesn't she just look like the mother you just want to cuddle up to? llmart Feb 2020 #43

Every time I see that image, it reminds me of the movie, Mars Attacks! TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #175

LOL - reminds me of the guy in "From Beyond." klook Feb 2020 #177

No matter how he was raised, TNNurse Feb 2020 #47

I feel bad for the small boy he was. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #51

I think sociopaths and psychopaths are pretty much not able to change womanofthehills Feb 2020 #95

Exactly. He has had every advantage handed to him in life and could have become smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #106

smirky bdamomma Feb 2020 #117

Same here 47of74 Feb 2020 #184

Look at Jr.! bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #50

Indeed. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #53

The same family that damaged his father and grandfather!! Sancho Feb 2020 #54

Genetics? And as another poster noted, his children are also guillaumeb Feb 2020 #55

I don't think he feels anything except anger. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2020 #56

Imagine the physical effects of living in a constant state of anger. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #58

I don't know how he has survived this long. leftyladyfrommo Feb 2020 #67

I keep on bdamomma Feb 2020 #120

he was never taught American values in the home. Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #57

Congratulations on being a survivor. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #61

There is said to be a "discard" phase when the narcissist takes steps to shed people.. Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #68

So the narcissist requires comstant flattery. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #70

absolutely Grasswire2 Feb 2020 #97

Thta would certainly explain Trump's behavior, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #99

Would you explain more about the "third phase", please? dmr Feb 2020 #198

I read somewhere rickyhall Feb 2020 #59

I suspect fetal alcohol syndrome randr Feb 2020 #71

I know some people who suffered FAS but they don't seem like him. rickyhall Feb 2020 #75

My folks adopted a baby with FAS. k2qb3 Feb 2020 #111

Look at the shape of his eyes. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #107

Was his mother an alcoholic? shanti Feb 2020 #144

I don't know, but she could have been a closet alcoholic. Sounds like her husband didn't smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #148

I read similar info Kitchari Feb 2020 #73

His sister says that he was called Donny Dimwit vlyons Feb 2020 #60

Hate and anger are corrosive. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #64

After reading all these posts bdamomma Feb 2020 #121

The media and the GOP covered for Reagan. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #153

Far from any abuse as some see alphafemale Feb 2020 #69

Or, he told himself that he is/was the greatest. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #72

Lots of things... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2020 #76

The same kind as many republicans all over America, where... WyattKansas Feb 2020 #77

Who cares? thegoose Feb 2020 #78

I don't care if his father beat him 5 times a day and his mother fed him dog shit dalton99a Feb 2020 #79

I understand that view. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #91

Any Mental Health workers among us? bdamomma Feb 2020 #87

And even the non-professionals among us, including me, can see how guillaumeb Feb 2020 #92

Reportedly, both parents were minimally involved. Servants, who wanted to empedocles Feb 2020 #88

He's a sociopath and he was mostly likely born that way. BlueStater Feb 2020 #124

He wasn't the first born or the youngest TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #125

The thing that mystifies me is his extreme narcissism and the very low profile his siblings keep. tanyev Feb 2020 #126

That is actually very telling shanti Feb 2020 #145

And Trump has zero sense of humor Zambero Feb 2020 #128

True, he has no sense of humor, or sense of self. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #156

Look no further than Roy Cohn who became no_hypocrisy Feb 2020 #132

His story... Rider3 Feb 2020 #134

Money and no class malaise Feb 2020 #135

Read somewhere that even his mother Dan Feb 2020 #137

As far as I am concerned he did it all on his own. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #140

Born stupid and mean mahina Feb 2020 #141

Read Noel Casler's Twitter feed coeur_de_lion Feb 2020 #142

Roy Cohn paparush Feb 2020 #143

untreated personality disorders extvbroadcaster Feb 2020 #146

He's a textbook narcissist.... Heartstrings Feb 2020 #150

When Donald was young, did a Hispanic housemaid once tell him "NO!"? tclambert Feb 2020 #151

Criminal parents, criminal spawn, just be glad the ones front and center are all incompetent fools? Brainfodder Feb 2020 #154

Many of them only value power. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #159

YUP, selfish and with tiny world views. Brainfodder Feb 2020 #161

They share that with their hero. eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #162

He's the second son. He was not supposed to be the heir apparent. His older brother was. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #157

This is pretty well done and factual The Mouth Feb 2020 #160

The photo belongs in a horror movie. eom guillaumeb Feb 2020 #163

No one would believe it if it hadn't have happened The Mouth Feb 2020 #171

trump's father was the sociopath. trump wanted to love his mother, the maid Miigwech Feb 2020 #164

Good points. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #165

I'm sure the household soldierant Feb 2020 #166

Fred Trump was such a piece of shit, Woody Guthrie wrote a song about him. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #170

That is interesting. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #172

It seems not, unfortunately. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #185

Obviously one with no love DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #178

Well said. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #188

What type of home are his followers raised in? FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #187

In a country that is almost always at war, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #189

What does Trump even mean when he says something is "beautiful"? Withywindle Feb 2020 #192

In my view, Trump sees himself and his needs as beautiful. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #201

A reason is not the same as an excuse. Collimator Feb 2020 #194

Agreed in full. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #205

I'm sure it was a violent and awful one Dorian Gray Feb 2020 #196

Hard to say. It doesn't seem to have been normal, but The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #202

And wealthy people are generally excused for their sociopathy. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #206

As long as they're not actually killing people directly, generally that's true. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #209

True. As to killing, guillaumeb Feb 2020 #210

Scarier thought is why does any christian think this amoral pig is a good leader and man... Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #203