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TreasonousBastard

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183. May I be the 8th? Or...

Fri Sep 7, 2012, 05:50 PM

Sep 2012

were there more downthread?

Anyway, as I said to Bigtree above, I can't see any reason to go to war with the leading voice of the largest religious group in the country when we're trying to re-elect a President. A President who leads a party that doesn't agree with a lot of what this bishop says.

Someone said something about NYC gay groups, who know Dolan a lot better than most here do, not taking the bait. And bait it apparently was-- were we given a Hobson's choice of letting him speak or having conservative clergy from Southern Baptists to Missouri Synod Lutherans join with him and the Republicans condemning us for whatever they can loudly think of? Very loudly-- trying to drown out our message and shake our solidarity.

The sainted FDR worked with Stalin to rid the world of Nazis. Could we calm down a bit and let a bishop make a rude prayer in the name of peace? And victory?

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Mr. President, the GayTM is no longer in service. [View all] Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 OP

I'm sorry that Dolan spoke cali Sep 2012 #1

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #6

Bigotry? No...impatience is not bigotry. I am annoyed that the OP msanthrope Sep 2012 #16

wasnt aimed at you. you gave a reasoned argument not a snide little comment loli phabay Sep 2012 #22

I know...but I don't think cali was bigoted. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #31

mayby that was the wrong word to hse but the little snide comment got me loli phabay Sep 2012 #39

disagreement is not bigotry. that's a huge stretch there because someone doesn't agree with you progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #172

bigotry? How fucking cheap, dishonest, and classless could you possibly be? cali Sep 2012 #17

and yet you still felt the need for the little snide dismissive comment loli phabay Sep 2012 #24

The lady protests rightly! arthritisR_US Sep 2012 #26

lol. all the cliches belong to you cali Sep 2012 #66

and yet you do seem to wear them well and with pride loli phabay Sep 2012 #71

Dolan IS a huge bigot obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #118

I'm very disappointed in this post from you Marrah_G Sep 2012 #21

While my feelings are different than Pab Sungenis I find your response painful. Ms. Toad Sep 2012 #65

"Thanks for your little post." /nt yardwork Sep 2012 #74

Galvanized me as well cali goclark Sep 2012 #105

I held my tongue last night because the rest of the night was great Marrah_G Sep 2012 #2

This obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #120

Yes. That, for sure. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #223

I don't think President Obama was 'hippie punching' or 'queer-baiting' bigtree Sep 2012 #3

I did not see the ending convocation. That said, the entire week was one of inclusion & empowerment hlthe2b Sep 2012 #7

of course, it doesn't 'wipe out the entire week' at all bigtree Sep 2012 #10

I wasn't implying you were saying so. Actually, I responded to your post in agreement with you hlthe2b Sep 2012 #18

it was a great week bigtree Sep 2012 #23

I think you all should BE the folks with strong and righteous conviction refusing to accept this. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #90

Lashing out at those who firmly in support of you? hlthe2b Sep 2012 #108

actually, I AM one of the folks refusing to support this bigtree Sep 2012 #164

then I misunderstood. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #186

Here's a transcript muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #106

This was literally what the DNC ended with obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #122

Tone deaf decision... hlthe2b Sep 2012 #131

It was done for the exact same reason anything that caused complaints at this convention was done dmallind Sep 2012 #57

agree bigtree Sep 2012 #60

Does the President choose Dolan, or the DNC? treestar Sep 2012 #59

it's just that bigtree Sep 2012 #68

Maybe, but he may have to delegate a lot and this included treestar Sep 2012 #89

If they have to bring religion into it at all, enlightenment Sep 2012 #112

Good point -- ask clergy from Charlotte or NC obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #123

I don't know why they choose this treestar Sep 2012 #150

Who ever's fault it was....yep there's that lack of accountability again.... Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #88

I stock shelves for a living bigtree Sep 2012 #159

Glad to hear you say that... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #182

Are you making excuses for it? No, you are not. I said 'excuse making straight people' Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #193

I enjoy your posts and I appreciate the support you are expressing in this thread. yardwork Sep 2012 #197

I think that you may be misunderstanding some posts here. yardwork Sep 2012 #196

Thank you. Jamastiene Sep 2012 #153

Why do you refuse to talk about the background of this conflict? msanthrope Sep 2012 #4

Yes... you are right about the context. hlthe2b Sep 2012 #9

Note that no major gay rights organizations took the bait. BO isn't being msanthrope Sep 2012 #11

still does not mean people cant be annoyed or upset. loli phabay Sep 2012 #46

Absolutely. But posting about not donating is another thing. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #99

Frankly, the excuse that they couldn't tell the man, "no thanks" enlightenment Sep 2012 #114

They had one of the "Nuns on the Bus," and frankly, did you hear a speaker that did not talk about msanthrope Sep 2012 #121

So is everyone on DU required to donate to the Obama campaign? morningfog Sep 2012 #244

Wow, that explains A LOT nobodyspecial Sep 2012 #19

I am not convinced by your assessment of the political consequences of declining the invite. Vattel Sep 2012 #41

It would have started a pissing match because Dolan is a repuke ally and would have whined about it. msanthrope Sep 2012 #102

I think you are just rationalizing a mistake. Vattel Sep 2012 #160

Respectfully, I think you are incorrect. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #163

I was hoping that Dems were finally done with giving their lunch money to RW bullies Zorra Sep 2012 #224

Sounds like doubling down on the wrong to me. suffragette Sep 2012 #247

"Have a pissing match with a Catholic Cardinal 60 days before an election? " NCTraveler Sep 2012 #56

Heck maybe the WomanTM ought to close too treestar Sep 2012 #61

Because if you don't see it, it isn't happening? enlightenment Sep 2012 #116

Of all those claiming to be disappointed in Obama or seeing problems treestar Sep 2012 #149

Some of them might have learned their lesson LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #173

That's a good point deutsey Sep 2012 #72

Well the context changes everything. JoeyT Sep 2012 #73

You are my 7th direct reply. So, yeah, people are addressing my point, thanks. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #104

Sadly you ignored mine. JoeyT Sep 2012 #181

It sounds like they tried. If you recall Obama rebuffed Dolan. joshcryer Sep 2012 #229

May I be the 8th? Or... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #183

The point is Dolan could have spent a lot of time screaming about how Dems are attacking religion jeff47 Sep 2012 #209

Except he *was* rebuffed. Dolan still weaseled his way in there. joshcryer Sep 2012 #230

Perfect if you only think about the convention itself. jeff47 Sep 2012 #240

It's a strategic fail. They should've seen it coming. joshcryer Sep 2012 #228

i felt that way about the president's speech. iemitsu Sep 2012 #5

Well, she ain't running jsmirman Sep 2012 #115

yeah, i know. iemitsu Sep 2012 #188

Can you begin jsmirman Sep 2012 #212

Obama/Biden/Clinton/Granholm: THEY spoke for us. Dolan was rope-a-doped, a useful idiot. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #8

Useful how? ananda Sep 2012 #13

Useful in catching any stray conservative Catholics. "Hey, Ma! Look who spoke for Obama!" WinkyDink Sep 2012 #14

How about next time we get a preacher from Stormfront? Marrah_G Sep 2012 #20

False equivalency jsmirman Sep 2012 #30

problem is thats not how some people see it. you gotta realise we all have different loli phabay Sep 2012 #34

And yet almost the entire Convention rollout is an affront to the issues jsmirman Sep 2012 #43

yup and thats your call to make. i would no more attack you for complaining loli phabay Sep 2012 #50

Unfortunately for us, we know what to expect jsmirman Sep 2012 #53

yup we all ha e different causes and its hard sometimes to wear the other persons heels loli phabay Sep 2012 #55

Equal rights is not a complaint about a souffle. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #93

You've lost the plot. You're complaining about one guy after jsmirman Sep 2012 #125

So you are saying that the mention of LGBT issues was for HIM? So all of those mentions were Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #91

What? That's insanity. jsmirman Sep 2012 #119

I read your post that way, too obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #128

You read it as "this was all a show for Dolan" or jsmirman Sep 2012 #135

Maybe next time Wayne LaPierre can speak Doctor_J Sep 2012 #37

he should have had a speaker from every religion then. you know. to catch all the strays. piratefish08 Sep 2012 #48

The crazy anti gay preacher lives in Maiden obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #126

Giving Dolan the pulpit was a colossal mistake Lucy Goosey Sep 2012 #12

Yeah, I just don't understand that ending either. ananda Sep 2012 #15

It didn't end with Dolan, it ended with Obama. Curtland1015 Sep 2012 #25

Don't do that. It ended with Dolan, Dolan had the last and final word, and that word was Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #95

It ended with Dolan, not President Obama obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #129

Don't pull out the "gay" card mick063 Sep 2012 #27

while I'm looking in on this post bigtree Sep 2012 #36

So, our civil rights are now "The Gay Card"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #130

Gay card....really? Marrah_G Sep 2012 #157

What looks like a "card" to you has significant consequences for the lives of real people. sibelian Sep 2012 #161

Good lord - could you be more insulting. DURHAM D Sep 2012 #175

Please think about what you just posted. Would you have said, "Don't push your luck" to a person Heidi Sep 2012 #238

You are fucking kidding, right? dogday Sep 2012 #241

COME ON. See post #4 jsmirman Sep 2012 #28

I've got my ice skates on, and Satan just ordered Hitler to rev up the Zamboni...... msanthrope Sep 2012 #35

Indeed jsmirman Sep 2012 #45

lol is this one of these magical kodak moments ive read about ;) loli phabay Sep 2012 #52

It's like a lemur mating with a goose jsmirman Sep 2012 #54

I can picture it right now dogday Sep 2012 #242

I've been working at Bohunk68 Sep 2012 #29

Well said... SidDithers Sep 2012 #32

Thank you jsmirman Sep 2012 #33

Well said, and thank you! n/t ProSense Sep 2012 #47

thanks to the three of you who responded to me Bohunk68 Sep 2012 #92

Thank you again - so frustrated - this whole thread feels like a Dolan win jsmirman Sep 2012 #132

+ a million. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #171

"Cry babies" obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #138

"Pout"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #137

Thank you Egnever Sep 2012 #180

Well said - It's good to hear that you get it where others here don't. GoneOffShore Sep 2012 #192

because romney will be so much better rdking647 Sep 2012 #38

Absurd BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #40

I think it would be good if you sent your complaint to the White House lunatica Sep 2012 #42

Oh silly, we learned from the Rick Warren gig, and we do not do stuff like that...oh nevermind. Safetykitten Sep 2012 #44

You're not going to support Democrats, but ProSense Sep 2012 #49

It was a terrible choice.....I'm going to give the DNC the benefit of the doubt..... marmar Sep 2012 #51

Why wasn't an outspoken racist given a speaking role? The Link Sep 2012 #58

There's a big difference between those two things treestar Sep 2012 #64

You could have any number of religious figures close the convention that supports equality justiceischeap Sep 2012 #96

Maybe a gay clergy person treestar Sep 2012 #111

Jim Wallis, Sister Simone, John Spong, local Charlotte clergy obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #141

Never heard them pray about that treestar Sep 2012 #147

Homophobia is a form of bigotry that's acceptable to the nation jeff47 Sep 2012 #210

Give your money where you want. IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #62

"he had a right to be there" marmar Sep 2012 #67

My misunderstanding was that he wasn't trying to meet anyone even part way. IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #155

Yes, as a matter of fact Dolan did "spew homophobia" and he publicly repudiated the Dem platform. yardwork Sep 2012 #77

Just went and googled the speech - and am appalled. IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #154

I agree with you - it was appalling but in no way ruins the rest of a great convention. yardwork Sep 2012 #176

He spewed homophobia and anti women garnage in his so-called prayer obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #142

My original statements stand, with a subsequent clarification: IdaBriggs Sep 2012 #156

When did he speak, and Pres. Obama and most other speakers stood up for gay ecstatic Sep 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author MicaelS Sep 2012 #69

I turned it off before that. liberalmuse Sep 2012 #70

There's a difference now. The administration has a track record. Prism Sep 2012 #75

I agree. I said that in Zorra's thread about this, too. yardwork Sep 2012 #76

Hey you! Prism Sep 2012 #78

Hey there, buddy. How ya doing? yardwork Sep 2012 #79

Well, this seems reasonable jsmirman Sep 2012 #85

He's earned the break from me Prism Sep 2012 #208

Here's a question jsmirman Sep 2012 #211

I was raised conservative Catholic Prism Sep 2012 #217

You might be right jsmirman Sep 2012 #218

I'm somewhat at a loss, though Prism Sep 2012 #219

But I don't think he's just "Bishop X" jsmirman Sep 2012 #226

He's the Head of the Conference of Bishops Prism Sep 2012 #227

My knowledge is not something I'd go to bat on here jsmirman Sep 2012 #233

The thing about Dolan is that it was an unforced error, DURHAM D Sep 2012 #177

I'm much cagier about the election Prism Sep 2012 #207

As a gay man I am disappointed in Dolan.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #80

+ a gazillion DonRedwood Sep 2012 #84

I'd like to see the Democratic community stand up and reject that message loudly Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #103

agreed...but will you stop voting democrat until you get it? DonRedwood Sep 2012 #189

+ a hundred bazillion. I don't view one incident as a reason to turn my back on my fellow americans. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #170

'Purists' 'ponies'! You know what? This is what drives ME nuts in every election. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #225

Cardinal Dolan thanks you jberryhill Sep 2012 #81

I see what you mean but I understand where the poster is coming from. n/t vaberella Sep 2012 #94

I understand it too jberryhill Sep 2012 #113

The ones that fell for the manipulation were the Democratic leaders.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #140

I believe our Democratic leaders are going to continue to advance the cause of equality jberryhill Sep 2012 #146

He only has the power that the Democratic leaders choose to give him.. Fumesucker Sep 2012 #152

+1000 slampoet Sep 2012 #100

In 1975 it was illegal on the West Coast for two men to dance together. DonRedwood Sep 2012 #82

I think having the Cardinal mstinamotorcity2 Sep 2012 #83

I completely respect and support your post. K/R vaberella Sep 2012 #86

How much were you going to donate? cliffordu Sep 2012 #87

You missed a great opportunity. You should've donated Robb Sep 2012 #97

Snort! great white snark Sep 2012 #178

Wow a post from a "gay" contributor that overreacts and offers no facts as to the back ground and slampoet Sep 2012 #98

By challenged you mean bashed? The Link Sep 2012 #101

ugly, disgusting remark n/t DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #109

appalling post obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #143

Jury says it's OK, though. QC Sep 2012 #166

Yeah. Juries. Iggo Sep 2012 #245

I suggest you go and read Dolan's speech. nt sibelian Sep 2012 #162

What are you, twelve years old? Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #185

Wow, a Democratic event featuring anti gay rhetoric to please the Straight Community Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #187

What's up with the scare quotes around gay? LeftyMom Sep 2012 #234

I know some people don't think this is a big deal IVoteDFL Sep 2012 #107

what a childish response. many dems are catholic and deserve representation larkrake Sep 2012 #110

So, all Catholics are anti gay and anti women's rights? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #144

I was shocked he was allowed to speak obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #117

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #124

"Didn't Do Shit For Gays" DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2012 #136

I appreciate your frustration, enlightenment Sep 2012 #127

Well go luck with that. See if you will find what you are looking for any place else. I'm catholic southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #133

So when you see your neighbor subjected to libel and injustice, you just look the other way? Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #184

If my neighbor needed me I would be there in a second. You only can control the tv by muting or southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #195

Repealed DADT and spoke out for Marriage Equality, not defending DOMA....I think he's doing okay TeamPooka Sep 2012 #134

Yes, cuz if we can't get everything right, we shouldn't get anything right. valerief Sep 2012 #139

Dolan also publicly repudiated the Dem platform obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #145

And it was heard by about 6 people. jeff47 Sep 2012 #213

I am glad that you do not speak for every gay person, even though you think that you do. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #148

Pab, yours was never open. We know that. Nt DevonRex Sep 2012 #151

. slampoet Sep 2012 #200

Oh FFS scheming daemons Sep 2012 #158

Who was responsible for booking that colossal asshole? Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #165

I was just going to ask the same question... SoapBox Sep 2012 #167

Well, I suspect this is for the benefit of the site. sibelian Sep 2012 #168

Cool. I think you and your friends will really enjoy life under President Romney. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #169

+ a billion to this jsmirman Sep 2012 #214

What did Obama do to people here? politicasista Sep 2012 #174

Some people just crave discord and seek attention. geek tragedy Sep 2012 #194

Exactly n/t politicasista Sep 2012 #199

Obama personally intervened to change the platform. Pab Sungenis Sep 2012 #201

Yeah you're NOT their base, though, are you? sibelian Sep 2012 #236

Don't give Dolan's speech the import it doesn't deserve. great white snark Sep 2012 #179

I didn't hear dolan's "speech" but Cha Sep 2012 #190

Yawn. This kind of phony victimhood geek tragedy Sep 2012 #191

It's not just gay folks who are offended, but all feminists and child protection advocates as well. yardwork Sep 2012 #198

Agreed. Puglover Sep 2012 #202

Well, that's nothing new. /nt yardwork Sep 2012 #203

It is progress and I will celebrate with you LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #206

Unfortunately, there's about 40 years of work by conservative religious figures that has to be jeff47 Sep 2012 #216

Wouldn't this statement have more weight behind it had you been doing those things before now? Bolo Boffin Sep 2012 #204

+1...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #205

Wait, TIMOTHY DOLAN did a prayer at the DNC? alp227 Sep 2012 #215

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #220

I alerted on your nasty, offensive, insulting post Marrah_G Sep 2012 #221

I've invited Pab to participate in many events in our shared state of NJ JackBeck Sep 2012 #222

Thank you JackBeck NNN0LHI Sep 2012 #237

Yikes, that don't sound good dogday Sep 2012 #243

so let me get this straight ibegurpard Sep 2012 #231

Thanks so much for saying that Summer Hathaway Sep 2012 #232

I wish my conscience would let me do this. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #235

I'm sure I would've been angry if I had watched mitchtv Sep 2012 #239

This guy is just a terrible poster... Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #246