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ProSense

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28. Hmmm?

Fri Jan 6, 2012, 04:56 PM

Jan 2012

"Clinton, remember him? He did decrease the DoD budget. Why is Obama so lame? Because he loves being the Emperor?"

Why is it that you believe Clinton had the power and not Obama? Clinton, a President who didn't inherit two wars, decreasing the defense budget briefly by about $60 billion, means that Obama's proposed decrease of $1 trillion is just a "slogan"?

Did Clinton reduce the size of the military? Did he end a weapons system (Obama is the first to ever do so). Did he reduce the arsenal?

When Clinton took office, the defense budget was $435 billion. When he left, it was $23 billion less. A reduction about equal to Obama's current budget from the time he took office.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/07/historical_defense_budget.html

This new proposal is going to cut $1 trillion from the budget and make other significant cuts to operations.

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And ProSense Jan 2012 #11

Shifting the killing from "boots on the ground" to drone bombing Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #13

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The same that the author's are referring to is this... Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #19

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Well, good BeFree Jan 2012 #12

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He is calling for a decrease in growth. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #16

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It won't happen BeFree Jan 2012 #21

Seriously ProSense Jan 2012 #23

You get it!! BeFree Jan 2012 #24

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #28

Nice spin BeFree Jan 2012 #30

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Can ProSense Jan 2012 #34

No Not accurate BeFree Jan 2012 #35

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What? ProSense Jan 2012 #29

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FDL = LOL jpak Jan 2012 #43

a content free post paulk Jan 2012 #44

Wow ProSense Jan 2012 #45

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Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #57

You are correct, of course. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #49

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He didn't try hard at all - that's pretty obvious in retrospect bhikkhu Jan 2012 #68

This ProSense Jan 2012 #69

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