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bhikkhu

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114. "Only love can conquer hate..." -

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 02:13 AM

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Thinking very much that there is a core of hatred in the RW machine, that feeds on the hatred of people in general. Watching the conventions, reading the news, and reading and listening to people's comments and conversations, it is at first bizarre to see the irrational and destructive ideas that people will cling to, in spite of all evidence, persuasion and facts. There's just hatred at the bottom of it, and I don't think you can change minds without getting at that directly...

We can be examples, at least? (Feeling inspired by the convention

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Is continual exposure to hateful propaganda child abuse? [View all] grasswire Sep 2012 OP

I think so get the red out Sep 2012 #1

it's time to call it out grasswire Sep 2012 #5

With all the communist propaganda in my house, I'm inclined to say "no." Brickbat Sep 2012 #2

are you exposing children to calls for violence? grasswire Sep 2012 #8

Race hatred, no. But the Russian Revolution was, as you know, a violent one. Brickbat Sep 2012 #14

True. It took a particularly vigorous pillow fight 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #94

as the descendant of a dozen Revolutionary War soldiers and also of... grasswire Sep 2012 #105

No and it's ridiculous to suggest that it is. badtoworse Sep 2012 #3

+1 onenote Sep 2012 #4

who said anything about the GOVERNMENT? or any RESTRICTIONS? grasswire Sep 2012 #10

You did. The term "child abuse" connotes a heinous crime. slackmaster Sep 2012 #12

don't be ridiculous n/t grasswire Sep 2012 #16

Just who do you think enforces child welfare/abuse/neglect laws? WolverineDG Sep 2012 #71

who said anything about giving the government any such power?? grasswire Sep 2012 #106

In my experience, child abuse is generally considered a criminal act. badtoworse Sep 2012 #13

Well, I am not advocating government intervention. grasswire Sep 2012 #19

Sounds like a great idea badtoworse Sep 2012 #38

thank you for your thoughtful response. nt grasswire Sep 2012 #53

That 16 year old girl needs to SheilaT Sep 2012 #72

what does that even mean? what would constitute such a campaign? cali Sep 2012 #35

there are models for campaigns of enlightenment grasswire Sep 2012 #56

No quinnox Sep 2012 #6

I'll see your one word and raise you... Why not? n/t dogknob Sep 2012 #115

This is known as religion in the south. RagAss Sep 2012 #7

Wrong cordelia Sep 2012 #55

The only thing wrong about it is that it shouldn't have been limited to just the South Major Nikon Sep 2012 #90

What an interesting notion. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #9

who said anything about removing children??? grasswire Sep 2012 #15

That is where "child abuse" takes us, grasswire. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #17

I hoped to start a conversation. grasswire Sep 2012 #22

I don't think it helps us to include inflamatory language as we converse. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #45

this is how we counter it grasswire Sep 2012 #61

Are you suggesting that we've been silent? LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #64

it would be great to list some of those organizations here for us grasswire Sep 2012 #66

"the effect of hate propaganda on America's children" LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #69

I'm sorry -- are these sites activists for or against the issues? grasswire Sep 2012 #80

sincerely, I thank you for raising my consciousness... grasswire Sep 2012 #84

That is the razor's edge, isn't it? LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #86

no, no, no grasswire Sep 2012 #87

You know what, grasswire? LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #89

I'll be very frank here. grasswire Sep 2012 #99

Yes. It is time. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #108

Absolutely not. HappyMe Sep 2012 #11

no... and making the suggestion that it is hurts us all belcffub Sep 2012 #18

a discussion of hatred and ignorance is hardly anti-American grasswire Sep 2012 #21

suggesting that it is child abuse is belcffub Sep 2012 #25

is it child abuse? grasswire Sep 2012 #30

no belcffub Sep 2012 #31

....and I don't see any progressives calling for violence or hatred. grasswire Sep 2012 #24

you could not see a scenario belcffub Sep 2012 #26

having two mommies is legal grasswire Sep 2012 #32

that is not what your OP said belcffub Sep 2012 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #20

You cannot call it child abuse, given the laws connected to child abuse SheilaT Sep 2012 #23

I'm suggesting that we talk about it. grasswire Sep 2012 #27

Christianity MrBig Sep 2012 #34

then take the phrase "child abuse" out of the equation cali Sep 2012 #39

no, I won't do that. grasswire Sep 2012 #44

Agree that it sometimes takes a provocative opening but cali Sep 2012 #46

I don't see anyone responding in a negative way. grasswire Sep 2012 #83

Well, yes they could accuse liberals HappyMe Sep 2012 #43

we can do two things at the same time grasswire Sep 2012 #47

The problem is the use of the phrase "child abuse" MrBig Sep 2012 #28

okay, thank you grasswire Sep 2012 #42

It takes time MrBig Sep 2012 #49

yes, I agree grasswire Sep 2012 #67

uh. The SPLC has been talking about it and doing something about it for cali Sep 2012 #96

I wonder what the distribution of Teaching Tolerance is. grasswire Sep 2012 #109

the SPLC HAS been taking it on for years. cali Sep 2012 #116

Yes it is Politicalboi Sep 2012 #29

not in a legal sense. cali Sep 2012 #33

No, it's not child abuse at all kctim Sep 2012 #36

And just who determines the standard? Throd Sep 2012 #37

Child abuse as defined by the criminal law, absolutely NOT. Not in the child's best interest, kelly1mm Sep 2012 #41

WE decide. grasswire Sep 2012 #50

No, WE have no right to do that. HappyMe Sep 2012 #54

there were plenty of people who didn't think slavery was bad, too grasswire Sep 2012 #63

OK, you start. Go ahead and knock on the window of that car with Rush blaring with a kid kelly1mm Sep 2012 #60

I do not know why "advocacy" is confused with "intervention". grasswire Sep 2012 #65

No way.. Upton Sep 2012 #48

it is not child abuse to teach tolerance and community grasswire Sep 2012 #51

Different people have different perspectives Upton Sep 2012 #59

There IS a human, universal truth. grasswire Sep 2012 #62

"universal truth".. Upton Sep 2012 #70

no need to be snarky grasswire Sep 2012 #74

Christianity is psychologically very harmful. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2012 #52

uh, not all denominations practice Christianity as you describe it. cali Sep 2012 #58

Exactly. cordelia Sep 2012 #73

I do know this. LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #75

They still do, just to a lesser extent Major Nikon Sep 2012 #92

no, they don't. not all of them. cali Sep 2012 #97

OK, so "not all of them" translates to about 6-7% Major Nikon Sep 2012 #98

ALL Christians believe in Original Sin. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2012 #110

Christianity is not any better or worse than any other religion Major Nikon Sep 2012 #112

Just Christianity? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #95

No Marrah_G Sep 2012 #57

I think "hateful propaganda" by Big Money corporations is probably related more to "marketing". Trillo Sep 2012 #68

No davidthegnome Sep 2012 #76

I don't agree that it has to start with the parents grasswire Sep 2012 #79

No, and if you go down this road, MadHound Sep 2012 #77

did you read the thread? grasswire Sep 2012 #78

Yes I read this thread, why? MadHound Sep 2012 #81

if you read the thread, you would find my answers to your objections. grasswire Sep 2012 #82

If you are not advocating government involvement, then drop the term child abuse, MadHound Sep 2012 #85

as I have stated in this thread... grasswire Sep 2012 #88

The term is not just provocative, MadHound Sep 2012 #91

I asked the question. grasswire Sep 2012 #101

I say that taking people's kids away based on their politics 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #93

read the thread, please grasswire Sep 2012 #102

Except using the phrase "child abuse" with its well understood 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #111

no, it's an important part of socialization BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #100

"and instilling a sense of national identity"? grasswire Sep 2012 #103

come on, i edited it out of my post BOG PERSON Sep 2012 #117

Kids old enough to understand are either in school or watching their own ileus Sep 2012 #104

where did that 16-year-old girl learn to suggest assassination of Obama? n/t grasswire Sep 2012 #107

Does free-speech protect blatant lies BarackTheVote Sep 2012 #113

"Only love can conquer hate..." - bhikkhu Sep 2012 #114

Who is the arbiter of deciding what is and is not hateful propaganda? etherealtruth Sep 2012 #118