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glacierbay

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67. And lest we forget

Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:18 PM

Sep 2012

During WW2, although not an aviation unit, but Native Americans served honorably as the Wind Talkers with the U.S. Marines.
The movie, Wind Talkers, was an awesome, inspiring movie.

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We still name our helicopter gunships after victims of genocide [View all] eridani Sep 2012 OP

It may seem that way glacierbay Sep 2012 #1

LOL. Is that a smackdown of Jews and Gypsies? Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #2

Hey glacierbay Sep 2012 #4

The Europeans came to this continent armed with weapons and deceptions my ancestors hadn't cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #11

Interesting perspective. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #13

If the europeans hadn't found more effective ways of killing each other long before landing cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #16

Bred like roaches? daleo Sep 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #20

well i guess if its onlly white europeans that get upset then its okay unreal loli phabay Sep 2012 #24

Not to disrespect, but we do name plenty of "killing machines" after people of European ancestry... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #15

Yeah well, I'd bet you don't have a CDIB. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #22

I didn't realize that it would be required for a discussion on the topic... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #27

cdib i have no idea what that even means loli phabay Sep 2012 #29

Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #33

okay thanks never heard of it before. loli phabay Sep 2012 #89

What do you want with CDIB? Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #32

I remember sitting in a grad seminar... a la izquierda Sep 2012 #98

shrrman bradley abrams then the carriers your point is well made. loli phabay Sep 2012 #25

Thanks. :) (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #26

bred like roaches really i mean really loli phabay Sep 2012 #17

The Cherokees held slaves, so the guilt trip rings false: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #90

As I understand it, Native Americans did fine against European weapons... Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #21

That would just sound stupid. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #31

THIS. This should be an OP elehhhhna Sep 2012 #39

Moving? eqfan592 Sep 2012 #41

How about bred like fluffy bunnies? Iggo Sep 2012 #78

good one, iggo. elehhhhna Sep 2012 #114

harsh analogy, yes elehhhhna Sep 2012 #113

I think if the natives in South America had not been wiped out by small pox.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #53

Why are you calling it a "killing machine?" treestar Sep 2012 #55

Well said. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #56

+10000 glacierbay Sep 2012 #58

They are killing machines. That is their design. RC Sep 2012 #104

Why call an attack helicopter a killing machine? Iggo Sep 2012 #116

I wouldn't be so quick to condemn slaveholders if I were you- Mote, meet beam: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #88

I'd heard of tribes keeping prisoners of war, but nothing so organized as this. That was some read. freshwest Sep 2012 #96

We are naming our latest H/K subs after states. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #9

Is that the Virginia Class? glacierbay Sep 2012 #35

We haven't built a boomer in nearly 2 decades. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #62

I'm curious to see what they will name the new ones after glacierbay Sep 2012 #66

reality tv we will have the snooki the honey boo boo etf etc loli phabay Sep 2012 #72

We already have a SEAWOLF Class sub named after Carter NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #109

What kind of fish? Shark, barracuda? Not salmon or trout, I'll bet. freshwest Sep 2012 #97

Actually, we named ships after both salmon and trout. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #108

Hey, I would have thought they'd only go for 'aggressive' species. Although, salmon are tough. freshwest Sep 2012 #110

Ah, sure enough, they did! Just not my image of this. Interesting stuff on this thread, freshwest Sep 2012 #111

I miss the old days when we named our ACC's names like... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #10

Don't forget Hornet and Wasp. oneshooter Sep 2012 #84

You are right. Those names were intended to be honorific. pa28 Sep 2012 #23

blackhawk was a dumb ass who led his tribe to starvation madrchsod Sep 2012 #3

Still a pretty cool chopper. glacierbay Sep 2012 #7

The last active UH-1B Hueys were retired two weeks ago oneshooter Sep 2012 #8

i love the sound a chinook makes even now i always know when one of them is flying loli phabay Sep 2012 #19

It's only a cool chopper if you're not Iraqi or Vietnamese. Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #40

Whatever glacierbay Sep 2012 #42

Fuck... it does seem that way fascisthunter Sep 2012 #5

I doubt it--probably never even occurred to the decisionmakers n/t eridani Sep 2012 #6

They were definitely going for the "powerful warrior people" vibe instead Posteritatis Sep 2012 #18

Hasn't the Army they been naming helicopters after Native American Tribes since the 50s? TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #12

Keep trying, Cobras are Marine Corps not army. Angleae Sep 2012 #34

The Cobra used to be used by the Army before the development of the Apache. TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #37

Yes they do glacierbay Sep 2012 #43

That is spelled "Marine Corps" oneshooter Sep 2012 #85

Sorry Angleae Sep 2012 #105

Not just used for hardware dflprincess Sep 2012 #28

Here's a perspective.... rppper Sep 2012 #30

What do the Apache & Conamche people have to say about it? baldguy Sep 2012 #36

Is it wrong of Chomsky to offer an opinion on this issue ronnie624 Sep 2012 #80

Given what his opinion is, it may have been a smart thing to do. (n t) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #83

I'd rather see them disarmed and used for something worthwhile. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #38

I think they are already used for something worthwhile. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #44

Well, that's nice. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #45

No glacierbay Sep 2012 #47

How about we just down/disarm them and leave? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #49

Who's justifying the killing? glacierbay Sep 2012 #51

I said I'm no fan of war. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #52

Has it ever been "necessary" for you to go to war? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #79

Would you agree going to war in 1941 was necessary? glacierbay Sep 2012 #82

Wouild you agree that it was necessary to go to war in 2001? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #87

i would say that id prefer to live in a europe after the marshal plan loli phabay Sep 2012 #92

If you're uncertain about whether it was necessary to go to war in 1941 DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #99

I'll second what demosforprogress has to say Confusious Sep 2012 #103

Hmmmm...yes to most of those EX500rider Sep 2012 #115

You don't know if WW2 was necessary? glacierbay Sep 2012 #117

With the caps melting, soon enough the only thing they will be doing is this. 2on2u Sep 2012 #59

Disarm them? Why? glacierbay Sep 2012 #46

Fine. Do they need to be armed to work in disaster areas? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #48

The cargo helos don't need to be glacierbay Sep 2012 #50

Depends on the disaster area. PavePusher Sep 2012 #77

UH-60 (Black Hawk), HH-60 (Pave Hawk) and SH-60 (Sea Hawk) helicopters... PavePusher Sep 2012 #75

Pave Hawks glacierbay Sep 2012 #76

Yes. Also used for rescue work, often in Alaska and Washington areas... PavePusher Sep 2012 #81

IMO it is intended as a compliment treestar Sep 2012 #54

It's definitely a compliment glacierbay Sep 2012 #57

Moreover, some of the Nations created the finest light cavalry forces in the world sarge43 Sep 2012 #61

And lest we forget glacierbay Sep 2012 #67

They served in all kinds of capacities daleo Sep 2012 #86

Anthrologist Rene Girard termed it, "mimetic envy." People cannabilize the identities of leveymg Sep 2012 #60

Or... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #65

Do you really believe the tribes wrote the U.S. Army, "Please eat our names?" leveymg Sep 2012 #68

See post 64. ;) (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #69

Stranger things have happened. Granted. ;-) leveymg Sep 2012 #70

The USNS Red Cloud and the USNS Sacagawea are insults now??? I bet ol' Noam msanthrope Sep 2012 #63

Goodness, that's interesting: freshwest Sep 2012 #100

Some interesting background that I found on this. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #64

So the naming was intended to honor those First Nation people? Cleita Sep 2012 #91

i think it would come down to the individual and how they look at it loli phabay Sep 2012 #93

This it's true. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #94

A U.S. Infantry regiment got permission from Geronimo's descendants to use his name and likeness pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #95

i think there is a duer who was member of this unit loli phabay Sep 2012 #101

It's nice to be remembered. :) pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #107

yup thats the picture i saw loli phabay Sep 2012 #112

"Blue Thunder" warrprayer Sep 2012 #71

i will spoil for goodness sake dont watch it its awful ;) loli phabay Sep 2012 #73

I mean the original movie warrprayer Sep 2012 #74

" Two Anne Franks crashed in the Afghanistan yesterday " orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #102

hyperbole. eom yawnmaster Sep 2012 #106

The Greatest Helicopter Pilot warrprayer Sep 2012 #118