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70. Stranger things have happened. Granted. ;-)

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Sat Sep 8, 2012, 01:23 PM

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We still name our helicopter gunships after victims of genocide [View all] eridani Sep 2012 OP

It may seem that way glacierbay Sep 2012 #1

LOL. Is that a smackdown of Jews and Gypsies? Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #2

Hey glacierbay Sep 2012 #4

The Europeans came to this continent armed with weapons and deceptions my ancestors hadn't cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #11

Interesting perspective. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #13

If the europeans hadn't found more effective ways of killing each other long before landing cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #16

Bred like roaches? daleo Sep 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #20

well i guess if its onlly white europeans that get upset then its okay unreal loli phabay Sep 2012 #24

Not to disrespect, but we do name plenty of "killing machines" after people of European ancestry... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #15

Yeah well, I'd bet you don't have a CDIB. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #22

I didn't realize that it would be required for a discussion on the topic... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #27

cdib i have no idea what that even means loli phabay Sep 2012 #29

Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #33

okay thanks never heard of it before. loli phabay Sep 2012 #89

What do you want with CDIB? Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #32

I remember sitting in a grad seminar... a la izquierda Sep 2012 #98

shrrman bradley abrams then the carriers your point is well made. loli phabay Sep 2012 #25

Thanks. :) (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #26

bred like roaches really i mean really loli phabay Sep 2012 #17

The Cherokees held slaves, so the guilt trip rings false: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #90

As I understand it, Native Americans did fine against European weapons... Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #21

That would just sound stupid. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #31

THIS. This should be an OP elehhhhna Sep 2012 #39

Moving? eqfan592 Sep 2012 #41

How about bred like fluffy bunnies? Iggo Sep 2012 #78

good one, iggo. elehhhhna Sep 2012 #114

harsh analogy, yes elehhhhna Sep 2012 #113

I think if the natives in South America had not been wiped out by small pox.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #53

Why are you calling it a "killing machine?" treestar Sep 2012 #55

Well said. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #56

+10000 glacierbay Sep 2012 #58

They are killing machines. That is their design. RC Sep 2012 #104

Why call an attack helicopter a killing machine? Iggo Sep 2012 #116

I wouldn't be so quick to condemn slaveholders if I were you- Mote, meet beam: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #88

I'd heard of tribes keeping prisoners of war, but nothing so organized as this. That was some read. freshwest Sep 2012 #96

We are naming our latest H/K subs after states. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #9

Is that the Virginia Class? glacierbay Sep 2012 #35

We haven't built a boomer in nearly 2 decades. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #62

I'm curious to see what they will name the new ones after glacierbay Sep 2012 #66

reality tv we will have the snooki the honey boo boo etf etc loli phabay Sep 2012 #72

We already have a SEAWOLF Class sub named after Carter NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #109

What kind of fish? Shark, barracuda? Not salmon or trout, I'll bet. freshwest Sep 2012 #97

Actually, we named ships after both salmon and trout. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #108

Hey, I would have thought they'd only go for 'aggressive' species. Although, salmon are tough. freshwest Sep 2012 #110

Ah, sure enough, they did! Just not my image of this. Interesting stuff on this thread, freshwest Sep 2012 #111

I miss the old days when we named our ACC's names like... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #10

Don't forget Hornet and Wasp. oneshooter Sep 2012 #84

You are right. Those names were intended to be honorific. pa28 Sep 2012 #23

blackhawk was a dumb ass who led his tribe to starvation madrchsod Sep 2012 #3

Still a pretty cool chopper. glacierbay Sep 2012 #7

The last active UH-1B Hueys were retired two weeks ago oneshooter Sep 2012 #8

i love the sound a chinook makes even now i always know when one of them is flying loli phabay Sep 2012 #19

It's only a cool chopper if you're not Iraqi or Vietnamese. Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #40

Whatever glacierbay Sep 2012 #42

Fuck... it does seem that way fascisthunter Sep 2012 #5

I doubt it--probably never even occurred to the decisionmakers n/t eridani Sep 2012 #6

They were definitely going for the "powerful warrior people" vibe instead Posteritatis Sep 2012 #18

Hasn't the Army they been naming helicopters after Native American Tribes since the 50s? TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #12

Keep trying, Cobras are Marine Corps not army. Angleae Sep 2012 #34

The Cobra used to be used by the Army before the development of the Apache. TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #37

Yes they do glacierbay Sep 2012 #43

That is spelled "Marine Corps" oneshooter Sep 2012 #85

Sorry Angleae Sep 2012 #105

Not just used for hardware dflprincess Sep 2012 #28

Here's a perspective.... rppper Sep 2012 #30

What do the Apache & Conamche people have to say about it? baldguy Sep 2012 #36

Is it wrong of Chomsky to offer an opinion on this issue ronnie624 Sep 2012 #80

Given what his opinion is, it may have been a smart thing to do. (n t) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #83

I'd rather see them disarmed and used for something worthwhile. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #38

I think they are already used for something worthwhile. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #44

Well, that's nice. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #45

No glacierbay Sep 2012 #47

How about we just down/disarm them and leave? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #49

Who's justifying the killing? glacierbay Sep 2012 #51

I said I'm no fan of war. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #52

Has it ever been "necessary" for you to go to war? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #79

Would you agree going to war in 1941 was necessary? glacierbay Sep 2012 #82

Wouild you agree that it was necessary to go to war in 2001? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #87

i would say that id prefer to live in a europe after the marshal plan loli phabay Sep 2012 #92

If you're uncertain about whether it was necessary to go to war in 1941 DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #99

I'll second what demosforprogress has to say Confusious Sep 2012 #103

Hmmmm...yes to most of those EX500rider Sep 2012 #115

You don't know if WW2 was necessary? glacierbay Sep 2012 #117

With the caps melting, soon enough the only thing they will be doing is this. 2on2u Sep 2012 #59

Disarm them? Why? glacierbay Sep 2012 #46

Fine. Do they need to be armed to work in disaster areas? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #48

The cargo helos don't need to be glacierbay Sep 2012 #50

Depends on the disaster area. PavePusher Sep 2012 #77

UH-60 (Black Hawk), HH-60 (Pave Hawk) and SH-60 (Sea Hawk) helicopters... PavePusher Sep 2012 #75

Pave Hawks glacierbay Sep 2012 #76

Yes. Also used for rescue work, often in Alaska and Washington areas... PavePusher Sep 2012 #81

IMO it is intended as a compliment treestar Sep 2012 #54

It's definitely a compliment glacierbay Sep 2012 #57

Moreover, some of the Nations created the finest light cavalry forces in the world sarge43 Sep 2012 #61

And lest we forget glacierbay Sep 2012 #67

They served in all kinds of capacities daleo Sep 2012 #86

Anthrologist Rene Girard termed it, "mimetic envy." People cannabilize the identities of leveymg Sep 2012 #60

Or... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #65

Do you really believe the tribes wrote the U.S. Army, "Please eat our names?" leveymg Sep 2012 #68

See post 64. ;) (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #69

Stranger things have happened. Granted. ;-) leveymg Sep 2012 #70

The USNS Red Cloud and the USNS Sacagawea are insults now??? I bet ol' Noam msanthrope Sep 2012 #63

Goodness, that's interesting: freshwest Sep 2012 #100

Some interesting background that I found on this. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #64

So the naming was intended to honor those First Nation people? Cleita Sep 2012 #91

i think it would come down to the individual and how they look at it loli phabay Sep 2012 #93

This it's true. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #94

A U.S. Infantry regiment got permission from Geronimo's descendants to use his name and likeness pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #95

i think there is a duer who was member of this unit loli phabay Sep 2012 #101

It's nice to be remembered. :) pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #107

yup thats the picture i saw loli phabay Sep 2012 #112

"Blue Thunder" warrprayer Sep 2012 #71

i will spoil for goodness sake dont watch it its awful ;) loli phabay Sep 2012 #73

I mean the original movie warrprayer Sep 2012 #74

" Two Anne Franks crashed in the Afghanistan yesterday " orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #102

hyperbole. eom yawnmaster Sep 2012 #106

The Greatest Helicopter Pilot warrprayer Sep 2012 #118