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21. but i don't get why the ship company should be treated as if none of this is any of their business
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:19 AM
Feb 2020

1) yes, it's a ship and not a building, but that has nothing to do with the safety issue here. it may have something to do with legal jurisdiction and building codes or the marine equivalent, but it has nothing to do with the safety issue here. there are people, a window, and enough height for a fall to be lethal. the fact that there's a lot of water nearby isn't really relevant in this case.

2) the fact that there was clear negligence on the part of the grandfather also isn't really relevant to whether or not the ship has any responsibility here (though it certainly affects the percentage of responsibility). what's relevant is that it's a preventable death. building codes and such are partly designed with suicides in mind, which also aren't really "accidents". so what? keeping a window closed or having netting installed underneath would have prevented this tragedy, and i don't think it's unreasonable to encourage the ship company to take such precautions.

some tall buildings and some bridges deny people access to places where people might commit suicide or accidentally fall. many have windows that can't be opened at all or have bars on the windows or balconies or nets.

as for setting a "bad precedent"... really? is it really a bad outcome if the ship takes steps to prevent tragedies?

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Sad all around, but to try to blame the ship was stupid. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #1
people tend to want an all-or-nothing assignment of fault, when often it's a combination unblock Feb 2020 #2
The grandfather leaned OUT of the window before holding the child out the window csziggy Feb 2020 #3
that's how the grandfather was easily 98% at fault unblock Feb 2020 #4
Who holds a child OUTSIDE a window 11 stories above the dock? csziggy Feb 2020 #5
i don't disagree, the grandfather's behavior was clearly grossly irresponsible unblock Feb 2020 #8
I don't think it is reasonable to expect a reasonable person to expect... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #7
completely false that there has been no antecedent incident. unblock Feb 2020 #9
I didn't say there are absolutely *no* antecedent incidents. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #10
every designer who puts a window in a high place should be aware of this. unblock Feb 2020 #12
It's clear we aren't going to agree on this. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #19
but i don't get why the ship company should be treated as if none of this is any of their business unblock Feb 2020 #21
Locked windows would suck... lame54 Feb 2020 #11
the point is to be safe unblock Feb 2020 #14
Tbe point is to celebrate living... lame54 Feb 2020 #15
Tell that to Eric Clapton unblock Feb 2020 #16
That's why I suggested half open windows... lame54 Feb 2020 #17
This was a "children's play area", not a cabin unblock Feb 2020 #18
So sad... abqtommy Feb 2020 #6
So depressing budkin Feb 2020 #13
I don't get it ripcord Feb 2020 #20
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