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pinboy3niner

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95. A U.S. Infantry regiment got permission from Geronimo's descendants to use his name and likeness
Sat Sep 8, 2012, 04:23 PM
Sep 2012

During WWII the 101st Airborne Division's 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment sought the permission and began using a profile of Geronimo with lightning bolts on its patch. For its regimental crest, the 501st adopted the image of a stylized thunderbird above the 'Geronimo' motto:



The regiment's troops were known as "the Geronimos," something that continued through the VN War and probably to this day (even though the two 501st battalions that remained with the 101st in VN were deactivated after that war, then reactivated for GWOT as part of a different unit.

I've seen reports of tribal leaders participating in the dedicaion ceremonies for helicopters that use tribal names. The names also have to get a lot of approvals, including from the U.S. Patent Office, before adoption:

THE GENERAL policy of naming Army aircraft after Indians tribes, chiefs or terms was made official by authority of Army Regulation (AR) 70-28, dated 4 April 1969. The names were authorized for use in public releases and other documents as a ready reference. The Indian names chosen were very popular among Army personnel for many years.

The Commanding General (CG) of the U.S. Army Aviation Missile Command (AMCOM), located at Redstone Arsenal, near Huntsville, Alabama, had the responsibility of initiating action to select a popular name for an Army aircraft. For this purpose, the CG maintained a list of possible names obtained from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. For brevity the names usually consisted of only one word. When a new aircraft reached the production stage, or immediately before it went into production, the CG selected five possible names. The selection decision was based on the sound, the history, and the relationship of the name to the mission of the aircraft.

The names chosen had to appeal to the imagination, without sacrificing dignity, and suggest an aggressive spirit and confidence in the capabilities of the aircraft. They also had to suggest mobility, firepower and endurance. The chosen names were sent to the Trade Mark (™) Division of the U.S. Patent Office to determine if there was any legal objection to their use.

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After approval by the Patent Office, the five names were sent to the Chief of Research and Development, Department of the Army, with a short justification for each. From these five, the Chief of Research and Development would select one.


The approved name then went to the Aeronautical Systems Division, Directorate of Engineering Standards, Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio. This Department of Defense unit had the responsibility of officially registering the names of all aircraft used by the U.S. military. It also maintained and printed a list of the names in a publication entitled "Model Designation of Military Aircraft, Rockets and Guided Missiles."


http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/origins/origins.html



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It may seem that way glacierbay Sep 2012 #1
LOL. Is that a smackdown of Jews and Gypsies? Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #2
Hey glacierbay Sep 2012 #4
The Europeans came to this continent armed with weapons and deceptions my ancestors hadn't cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #11
Interesting perspective. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #13
If the europeans hadn't found more effective ways of killing each other long before landing cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #16
Bred like roaches? daleo Sep 2012 #14
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #20
well i guess if its onlly white europeans that get upset then its okay unreal loli phabay Sep 2012 #24
Not to disrespect, but we do name plenty of "killing machines" after people of European ancestry... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #15
Yeah well, I'd bet you don't have a CDIB. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #22
I didn't realize that it would be required for a discussion on the topic... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #27
cdib i have no idea what that even means loli phabay Sep 2012 #29
Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #33
okay thanks never heard of it before. loli phabay Sep 2012 #89
What do you want with CDIB? Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #32
I remember sitting in a grad seminar... a la izquierda Sep 2012 #98
shrrman bradley abrams then the carriers your point is well made. loli phabay Sep 2012 #25
Thanks. :) (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #26
bred like roaches really i mean really loli phabay Sep 2012 #17
The Cherokees held slaves, so the guilt trip rings false: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #90
As I understand it, Native Americans did fine against European weapons... Hippo_Tron Sep 2012 #21
That would just sound stupid. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #31
THIS. This should be an OP elehhhhna Sep 2012 #39
Moving? eqfan592 Sep 2012 #41
How about bred like fluffy bunnies? Iggo Sep 2012 #78
good one, iggo. elehhhhna Sep 2012 #114
harsh analogy, yes elehhhhna Sep 2012 #113
I think if the natives in South America had not been wiped out by small pox.... WCGreen Sep 2012 #53
Why are you calling it a "killing machine?" treestar Sep 2012 #55
Well said. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #56
+10000 glacierbay Sep 2012 #58
They are killing machines. That is their design. RC Sep 2012 #104
Why call an attack helicopter a killing machine? Iggo Sep 2012 #116
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn slaveholders if I were you- Mote, meet beam: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #88
I'd heard of tribes keeping prisoners of war, but nothing so organized as this. That was some read. freshwest Sep 2012 #96
We are naming our latest H/K subs after states. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #9
Is that the Virginia Class? glacierbay Sep 2012 #35
We haven't built a boomer in nearly 2 decades. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #62
I'm curious to see what they will name the new ones after glacierbay Sep 2012 #66
reality tv we will have the snooki the honey boo boo etf etc loli phabay Sep 2012 #72
We already have a SEAWOLF Class sub named after Carter NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #109
What kind of fish? Shark, barracuda? Not salmon or trout, I'll bet. freshwest Sep 2012 #97
Actually, we named ships after both salmon and trout. NutmegYankee Sep 2012 #108
Hey, I would have thought they'd only go for 'aggressive' species. Although, salmon are tough. freshwest Sep 2012 #110
Ah, sure enough, they did! Just not my image of this. Interesting stuff on this thread, freshwest Sep 2012 #111
I miss the old days when we named our ACC's names like... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #10
Don't forget Hornet and Wasp. oneshooter Sep 2012 #84
You are right. Those names were intended to be honorific. pa28 Sep 2012 #23
blackhawk was a dumb ass who led his tribe to starvation madrchsod Sep 2012 #3
Still a pretty cool chopper. glacierbay Sep 2012 #7
The last active UH-1B Hueys were retired two weeks ago oneshooter Sep 2012 #8
i love the sound a chinook makes even now i always know when one of them is flying loli phabay Sep 2012 #19
It's only a cool chopper if you're not Iraqi or Vietnamese. Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #40
Whatever glacierbay Sep 2012 #42
Fuck... it does seem that way fascisthunter Sep 2012 #5
I doubt it--probably never even occurred to the decisionmakers n/t eridani Sep 2012 #6
They were definitely going for the "powerful warrior people" vibe instead Posteritatis Sep 2012 #18
Hasn't the Army they been naming helicopters after Native American Tribes since the 50s? TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #12
Keep trying, Cobras are Marine Corps not army. Angleae Sep 2012 #34
The Cobra used to be used by the Army before the development of the Apache. TheMightyFavog Sep 2012 #37
Yes they do glacierbay Sep 2012 #43
That is spelled "Marine Corps" oneshooter Sep 2012 #85
Sorry Angleae Sep 2012 #105
Not just used for hardware dflprincess Sep 2012 #28
Here's a perspective.... rppper Sep 2012 #30
What do the Apache & Conamche people have to say about it? baldguy Sep 2012 #36
Is it wrong of Chomsky to offer an opinion on this issue ronnie624 Sep 2012 #80
Given what his opinion is, it may have been a smart thing to do. (n t) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #83
I'd rather see them disarmed and used for something worthwhile. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #38
I think they are already used for something worthwhile. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #44
Well, that's nice. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #45
No glacierbay Sep 2012 #47
How about we just down/disarm them and leave? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #49
Who's justifying the killing? glacierbay Sep 2012 #51
I said I'm no fan of war. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #52
Has it ever been "necessary" for you to go to war? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #79
Would you agree going to war in 1941 was necessary? glacierbay Sep 2012 #82
Wouild you agree that it was necessary to go to war in 2001? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #87
i would say that id prefer to live in a europe after the marshal plan loli phabay Sep 2012 #92
If you're uncertain about whether it was necessary to go to war in 1941 DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #99
I'll second what demosforprogress has to say Confusious Sep 2012 #103
Hmmmm...yes to most of those EX500rider Sep 2012 #115
You don't know if WW2 was necessary? glacierbay Sep 2012 #117
With the caps melting, soon enough the only thing they will be doing is this. 2on2u Sep 2012 #59
Disarm them? Why? glacierbay Sep 2012 #46
Fine. Do they need to be armed to work in disaster areas? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #48
The cargo helos don't need to be glacierbay Sep 2012 #50
Depends on the disaster area. PavePusher Sep 2012 #77
UH-60 (Black Hawk), HH-60 (Pave Hawk) and SH-60 (Sea Hawk) helicopters... PavePusher Sep 2012 #75
Pave Hawks glacierbay Sep 2012 #76
Yes. Also used for rescue work, often in Alaska and Washington areas... PavePusher Sep 2012 #81
IMO it is intended as a compliment treestar Sep 2012 #54
It's definitely a compliment glacierbay Sep 2012 #57
Moreover, some of the Nations created the finest light cavalry forces in the world sarge43 Sep 2012 #61
And lest we forget glacierbay Sep 2012 #67
They served in all kinds of capacities daleo Sep 2012 #86
Anthrologist Rene Girard termed it, "mimetic envy." People cannabilize the identities of leveymg Sep 2012 #60
Or... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #65
Do you really believe the tribes wrote the U.S. Army, "Please eat our names?" leveymg Sep 2012 #68
See post 64. ;) (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #69
Stranger things have happened. Granted. ;-) leveymg Sep 2012 #70
The USNS Red Cloud and the USNS Sacagawea are insults now??? I bet ol' Noam msanthrope Sep 2012 #63
Goodness, that's interesting: freshwest Sep 2012 #100
Some interesting background that I found on this. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #64
So the naming was intended to honor those First Nation people? Cleita Sep 2012 #91
i think it would come down to the individual and how they look at it loli phabay Sep 2012 #93
This it's true. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #94
A U.S. Infantry regiment got permission from Geronimo's descendants to use his name and likeness pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #95
i think there is a duer who was member of this unit loli phabay Sep 2012 #101
It's nice to be remembered. :) pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #107
yup thats the picture i saw loli phabay Sep 2012 #112
"Blue Thunder" warrprayer Sep 2012 #71
i will spoil for goodness sake dont watch it its awful ;) loli phabay Sep 2012 #73
I mean the original movie warrprayer Sep 2012 #74
" Two Anne Franks crashed in the Afghanistan yesterday " orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #102
hyperbole. eom yawnmaster Sep 2012 #106
The Greatest Helicopter Pilot warrprayer Sep 2012 #118
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