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Miguelito Loveless

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5. Even if free, you still get way less energy out of the system.

Mon Mar 9, 2020, 12:52 PM

Mar 2020

50kWh = 1kg H2

1kg H2 = 63 miles (Toyota Mirai gets 312 miles from 5kg of H2. 312/5=62.5)

50kWh --> Nissan Leaf @3.5 miles/kWh = 175 miles
50kWh --> Tesla Model 3 @4 miles/kWh = 200 miles

Cost of an H2 fueling stations - Approx $2 million
Cost of 8 Stall Super Charger - Approx $250K

H2 retains the current retail model that requires you to take your car to a special place to get fuel.
BEV allows you to charge at home.
# of H2 Stations in the U.S. <60
# of Tesla Superchargers in U.S. 760+
# of Public Chargers in U.S. L2 50K+, Fast Chargers 10,800+

Current cost of 1kg of H2 = $12-$15
Current cost of 1kWh of electricity (U.S. avg) 12¢/kWh

Current cost to fill up a Mirai: $60-$75 (cost per mile minimum 19¢)
Current cost to fill up a Bolt: $7.20 (cost per mile minimum 3¢)

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Flying "cars" on H [View all] BSdetect Mar 2020 OP

There are two ways to create H2 Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #1

Need to power electrolysis with solar... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #2

And cheaper to store H than batteries. BSdetect Mar 2020 #3

And quite a bit less toxic... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #4

Cobalt has been reduced 90% in the current genereation of batteries Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #6

Look up the term "hydrogen embrittlement" Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #7

Even if free, you still get way less energy out of the system. Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #5