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pat_k

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30. "Same" is a misstatement. But certainly containment saves MORE lives than just "slowing"
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 04:31 PM
Mar 2020

As long as aggressive testing and tracing continue -- as far as it is possible -- I'm happy.

My fear is that accepting "can't contain" prematurely is being used as an excuse NOT to fund aggressive testing, tracing, and so on. That it is being used as an excuse to limit response to "slowing" measures, like "social distancing," cancelling events, and other things that have a different sort of cost (lost revenue, economic downturn) than efforts that require proactive state, local, and national government action and funding.

Effective containment efforts require recruitment of personnel, setting up drive thru testing sites capable of collecting samples from large numbers of people, home testing programs like what the Gates foundation is working to launch in Seattle, set up of labs capable of processing tests rapidly, and implementation of effective tracing efforts. These types of efforts require the actual appropriation of funds.

Perhaps we have passed the point of no return, perhaps not. I am not convinced we have. I see the "can just slow" as a premature conclusion, an excuse not to institute and pay for real containment, and therefore a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Mar 2020 #1
Slowing the spread means hospitals won't be so overwhelmed, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #2
So you buy that containment is impossible? pat_k Mar 2020 #3
At this point, yes. Maybe it wouldn't have been The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #4
I don't believe we have passed the point of no return. pat_k Mar 2020 #11
I think it's way too late for that. I don't think Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #7
Same as #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #15
Believe what you want. I'm not suggesting Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #19
Containment is impossible at this point - Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #12
Closures alone only slow. Aggressive testing, tracing, and quarantine contain... pat_k Mar 2020 #16
You missed my primary point. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #18
Thank you. Said much better than I ever could. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #20
Same as #24 pat_k Mar 2020 #25
As long as aggressive testing and tracing continue -- as far as it is possible.. pat_k Mar 2020 #24
It doesn't mean the same # of people will die. That's where you are wrong. uppityperson Mar 2020 #5
Thank you for posting this. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #8
Exactly. The same number of people might get sick over a longer period of time, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #14
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #33
"Same" is a misstatement. But certainly containment saves MORE lives than just "slowing" pat_k Mar 2020 #30
The idea is to slow the spread so that everybody doesn't get sick at once and overwhelm our health totodeinhere Mar 2020 #6
So we give up on containment? (Which would save FAR MORE lives.) pat_k Mar 2020 #17
We should not give up on containment but I think the consensus among experts is totodeinhere Mar 2020 #21
Same as #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #31
Containment can be seen in the rear view mirror intrepidity Mar 2020 #29
Regarding "will ultimately kill same number" sl8 Mar 2020 #9
"Same" is a misstatement. But certainly containment saves MORE lives than "slowing" pat_k Mar 2020 #23
It will not kill the same number -- the same number will eventually get the virus karynnj Mar 2020 #10
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #34
Slowing the spread is a vital part of controlling the outbreak. What more do you think should be WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2020 #13
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #35
The time for containment is over. This thing is part of the population now. coti Mar 2020 #22
sorry - contain was in our back window like 2 weeks ago. lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #26
I hope you are wrong... see replay #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #40
Completely valid approach nt intrepidity Mar 2020 #27
it won't kill the same number, overwhelmed with patients they have to perform triage Demonaut Mar 2020 #28
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #36
that person is a pessimist Demonaut Mar 2020 #37
containment and limiting public events is a way to start, we don't have a way beachbumbob Mar 2020 #32
I suspect we're really past the point where it makes a difference kurtcagle Mar 2020 #38
Of course, you may be absolutely right. pat_k Mar 2020 #42
Aggressive containment customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #39
True about likely "misrepresentation" of (or outright lying about) data from China. pat_k Mar 2020 #41
Of course we should slow the spread. riversedge Mar 2020 #43
Of course. pat_k Mar 2020 #47
If, as in the case of Italy, some of the sick are or already have been, misdiagnosed as having flu? littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #44
Absolutely. Testing capacity if growing, no thanks to DT's CDC. FDA. or NIH. pat_k Mar 2020 #45
It *infects* the same number but kills fewer Recursion Mar 2020 #46
Of course. pat_k Mar 2020 #48
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