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pat_k

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41. True about likely "misrepresentation" of (or outright lying about) data from China.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 02:58 AM
Mar 2020

And, as noted in reply #30, my use of the word "same" was wrong.

I expressed it badly, but nevertheless, I think we still have a shot at actually reducing the overall number of those who are infected through funding of widespread testing, tracing, and quarantine, to the extent possible. It seems to me that the belief that things are "beyond containment" is being used as an excuse to shift from proactively funding and implementing aggressive testing, tracing, and quarantine programs to more "passive" cancellation of events, etc." Things that may require "bailout" later, but don't cost in proactive action and money up front.

I am all for all the "slowing" measures -- social distancing, cancelling events, etc., but our efforts can't stop there.

I may be deluding myself. Maybe 70% in every county of the country will end up infected. However, there is so much unknown about where we actually stand in terms of spread, it seems premature to conclude that we have no way to reduce the overall number of people infected. Premature to conclude that all we can do is try to "flatten the curve."


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This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Mar 2020 #1
Slowing the spread means hospitals won't be so overwhelmed, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #2
So you buy that containment is impossible? pat_k Mar 2020 #3
At this point, yes. Maybe it wouldn't have been The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #4
I don't believe we have passed the point of no return. pat_k Mar 2020 #11
I think it's way too late for that. I don't think Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #7
Same as #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #15
Believe what you want. I'm not suggesting Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #19
Containment is impossible at this point - Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #12
Closures alone only slow. Aggressive testing, tracing, and quarantine contain... pat_k Mar 2020 #16
You missed my primary point. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #18
Thank you. Said much better than I ever could. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #20
Same as #24 pat_k Mar 2020 #25
As long as aggressive testing and tracing continue -- as far as it is possible.. pat_k Mar 2020 #24
It doesn't mean the same # of people will die. That's where you are wrong. uppityperson Mar 2020 #5
Thank you for posting this. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2020 #8
Exactly. The same number of people might get sick over a longer period of time, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #14
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #33
"Same" is a misstatement. But certainly containment saves MORE lives than just "slowing" pat_k Mar 2020 #30
The idea is to slow the spread so that everybody doesn't get sick at once and overwhelm our health totodeinhere Mar 2020 #6
So we give up on containment? (Which would save FAR MORE lives.) pat_k Mar 2020 #17
We should not give up on containment but I think the consensus among experts is totodeinhere Mar 2020 #21
Same as #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #31
Containment can be seen in the rear view mirror intrepidity Mar 2020 #29
Regarding "will ultimately kill same number" sl8 Mar 2020 #9
"Same" is a misstatement. But certainly containment saves MORE lives than "slowing" pat_k Mar 2020 #23
It will not kill the same number -- the same number will eventually get the virus karynnj Mar 2020 #10
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #34
Slowing the spread is a vital part of controlling the outbreak. What more do you think should be WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2020 #13
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #35
The time for containment is over. This thing is part of the population now. coti Mar 2020 #22
sorry - contain was in our back window like 2 weeks ago. lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #26
I hope you are wrong... see replay #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #40
Completely valid approach nt intrepidity Mar 2020 #27
it won't kill the same number, overwhelmed with patients they have to perform triage Demonaut Mar 2020 #28
See #30 pat_k Mar 2020 #36
that person is a pessimist Demonaut Mar 2020 #37
containment and limiting public events is a way to start, we don't have a way beachbumbob Mar 2020 #32
I suspect we're really past the point where it makes a difference kurtcagle Mar 2020 #38
Of course, you may be absolutely right. pat_k Mar 2020 #42
Aggressive containment customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #39
True about likely "misrepresentation" of (or outright lying about) data from China. pat_k Mar 2020 #41
Of course we should slow the spread. riversedge Mar 2020 #43
Of course. pat_k Mar 2020 #47
If, as in the case of Italy, some of the sick are or already have been, misdiagnosed as having flu? littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #44
Absolutely. Testing capacity if growing, no thanks to DT's CDC. FDA. or NIH. pat_k Mar 2020 #45
It *infects* the same number but kills fewer Recursion Mar 2020 #46
Of course. pat_k Mar 2020 #48
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