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FarPoint

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Wed Mar 25, 2020, 08:27 AM Mar 2020

All this ranting about ventilators... [View all]

Maybe we will get 20,000 to 40,000 more ventilators...great....but...lets look at what is needed to operate the ventilator...

A skilled medical professional/ Nurse, Respiratory therapist....this is a small group of individuals who know how to set-up/monitor a ventilator...it is not like plugging in a toaster...It requires ongoing, 1:1 management...maybe 1 Nurse could handle 3 patients...maybe...it's complicated...

The ventilator is attached to a breathing tube that enters the patients lungs/ intubation or a trach ...this requires suctioning with sterile tubing/ suction catheters...patient also will require oral suctioning...the ventilator requires oxygen set at prescribed delivery rate, and pressure of lung inflation...the ventilator tubing, suction catheters, well we will need millions of them...if we don't even have masks, how do we know if we have the ventilator support supplies required for this magnitude of patients?

Another concern....critical management of a ventilator client is needed, cardiac monitors, LABS such as blood gasses wherein the blood is drawn from an artery, a deep sterile stick...ventilator effectiveness and blood Ph is the key data with blood gasses...a must for living stuff. This requires FAST lab results and a lab staff/ equipment to obtain the blood gasses and by the way...drawing a blood gas is typically a very skilled challenge.... radial/brachial or femoral sites...yea it's a little deep. 'OUCH".

So, we don't hear anything about this complex support level for life...staff and equipment... This can go on...realize the patient will have other clinical compromising conditions to balance...hypertension, cardiac, renal, diabetes and "new infections/bacterial...it goes on....

**** Realize...the Nurse/ Therapist are "on-hands" face to face with an active COVID-19 patient...effective PPE is essential....any break in protection barrier opens up an opportunity for the Nurse/Therapist to become infected...effective PPE not home made stuff...the home made gear for 1:1 ventilator patient is not protective...only a cosmetic image...

Just adding a little more visual to the big picture....

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Jeepers....No one commenting??? FarPoint Mar 2020 #1
Another point about the breathing tube: there's a cuff around part of the tube that gets air Cousin Dupree Mar 2020 #2
Absolutely.... FarPoint Mar 2020 #4
Indeed. Cousin Dupree Mar 2020 #7
I think healthcare workers are in a shock mode.... FarPoint Mar 2020 #9
Retired RN here. I've been thinking this for weeks. likesmountains 52 Mar 2020 #3
Yes. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #5
Manage a ventilator and live to tell the story! FarPoint Mar 2020 #8
You know that even on a good summer day.... FarPoint Mar 2020 #6
"Do we really have adequate supplies to meet this demand?" OhioChick Mar 2020 #13
From what I understand.. OhioChick Mar 2020 #12
I understand.... FarPoint Mar 2020 #16
Exactly! OhioChick Mar 2020 #17
Question.... FarPoint Mar 2020 #18
My son that is in quarantine was not tested (FL) OhioChick Mar 2020 #21
Sure is rapidly changing! FarPoint Mar 2020 #23
I'm sorry I didn't answer you yesterday OhioChick Mar 2020 #24
Is a separate waiver required for the blood gas line? lostnfound Mar 2020 #10
No.... FarPoint Mar 2020 #11
Also don't forget the step down process melm00se Mar 2020 #14
Absolutely! FarPoint Mar 2020 #15
All of this - and what about lab capacity? What about lab staffing? hatrack Mar 2020 #19
The volume of lab tests...unpresidented! FarPoint Mar 2020 #20
My immediate understanding of the available testing procedure is PCR. NNadir Mar 2020 #22
Any comments on this thing ... Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #25
Only a minority of those requiring ventilation will need entubation, Ghost Dog Mar 2020 #26
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