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104. "Neocons in the Pentagon" refers to a disinformation group, OSP, who also fabricated Iraq & Iran WMD
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:24 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:29 AM - Edit history (3)

evidence to serve as justification to go to war with Baghdad, and in the alternative, Tehran. This story, if accurate, means that 9/11 now appears to have also been part of their work.

OSP is the Office of Special Plans set up by Paul Wolfowitz under the management of Douglas Feith, David Wurmser and Richard Perle. While it wasn't formally given that designation until September 2002, and was officially closed down the following June, what officers at the DIA called "the cell" came in with Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and were already an effective, cohesive policy center within the Office of Secretary of Defense and the newly-created Undersecretary for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone.

Another key component of the cell was the Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), an agency whose size and budget were classified. The CIFA was created by a directive from the Secretary of Defense (Number 5105.67) on February 19, 2002 and finally shut down in 2008. A lot of the bogus Iraq WMD intel came out of CIFA and its contractors, including the aluminum tubes studies cooked up by MZM.

More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=166938&mesg_id=166938

So: who has known about this, and for how long? n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #1
Exactly...There used to be a link circa 2001/2002 that I sent to Bushbots deutsey Sep 2012 #111
THIS bombshell just lost the election for Romney. This is worse then what they did to the economy.. jillan Sep 2012 #2
Repukes do not read the NYT burrowowl Sep 2012 #6
I don't think this story is going to go away. It's going to reach far and wide. jillan Sep 2012 #15
Saudi Arabia! Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #225
Agreed Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #80
In fact, I do not think they read at all, They get all the info they need from Fox. smirkymonkey Sep 2012 #217
And remember a percentage of Ohio Repukes ladym55 Sep 2012 #240
Fortunately for Romney, the majority of Republicans think Romney killed bin Laden. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #23
lol avaistheone1 Sep 2012 #56
Not funny krawhitham Sep 2012 #64
omg. They are really THAT stupid. avaistheone1 Sep 2012 #67
I don't disagree, but I think a chunk of that number... JHB Sep 2012 #101
Except for one thing... caraher Sep 2012 #172
I covered that... JHB Sep 2012 #187
No. They are that racist. Nobody is that stupid. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #155
If only we could harness the power of stupidity, we'd have an endless source of energy. tclambert Sep 2012 #181
in North Carolina RainbowOverTexas Sep 2012 #145
Maybe in the more "special" areas of my state lexx21 Sep 2012 #292
No one who doesn't already believe it will believe it LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #27
I agree get the red out Sep 2012 #130
Bingo tavalon Sep 2012 #138
I believe that black ops have been used for many years to bbgrunt Sep 2012 #146
what's a 'ct'? eom ellenfl Sep 2012 #166
conspiracy theory n/t LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #171
ah, thanks. my mind was blank! eom ellenfl Sep 2012 #174
Conspiracy Theory get the red out Sep 2012 #185
Yes, blame the people... ensemble Sep 2012 #213
I don't blame anybody but the top get the red out Sep 2012 #221
so the people who question the official story... ensemble Sep 2012 #223
No, not most get the red out Sep 2012 #264
No. To the Republicans, this is ancient history. And they have never blamed Bush, & won't.nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #28
They CAN'T blame Bush! They don't even remember him! n/t Beartracks Sep 2012 #53
Remember who? Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #149
Good loyalsister Sep 2012 #186
There's no bombshell here, it's old info in an opinion piece ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #69
It is not "old info". speedoo Sep 2012 #76
2 things: 1) the author referes to unreleased breifings... JHB Sep 2012 #105
It may be a bombshell to lots of people who dared not look too closely when the experience was still Overseas Sep 2012 #249
Good to Hear gussmith Sep 2012 #73
But Robme had nothing to do with any of that.. regnaD kciN Sep 2012 #91
Not if you highlight all the neocons among his foreign policy advisors JHB Sep 2012 #106
Gov. Rmoney You Have Many Advisors On Your Staff That Ignored The Threats Of 9/11 Before.... global1 Sep 2012 #115
Unfortunately our bipartisan president will never mention any of this. Doctor_J Sep 2012 #121
Conservatives are working overtime Catherine Vincent Sep 2012 #162
That picture of bush is a picture of total failure thelordofhell Sep 2012 #3
"Failure" implies his goal was something other than what happened. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2012 #19
Thank you. DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #62
Nicely Done! Nostradammit Sep 2012 #86
I believe that a significant factor was his administration was dominated by PNAC neo-cons. olegramps Sep 2012 #126
Not quite an inside job Iwasthere Sep 2012 #4
Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if they let it happen on purpose. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #11
I have believed this (LIHOP) almost since day one. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #31
You, me, and half of the people in this country. Major Hogwash Sep 2012 #39
Way, way, way too much evidence. StrictlyRockers Sep 2012 #47
Compounded by the way he and his warmongering ghouls exploited the attack for political gain. calimary Sep 2012 #87
Very well said, calimari. StrictlyRockers Sep 2012 #154
But that kind of "conspiracy" talk is verboten here. kenny blankenship Sep 2012 #280
I didn't suspect fowl play on day one but over time the 'explanations' didn't snappyturtle Sep 2012 #131
At the very LEAST LIHOP RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #134
6) It happened before. jeff47 Sep 2012 #177
Not to mention, never, before or since has a similar building RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #193
Fire hot jeff47 Sep 2012 #201
Kerosene burns at 800 degrees F. RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #212
House fires regularly get to 2000 degrees. Nothing in a house burns at 2000 degrees. jeff47 Sep 2012 #258
Plastics RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #265
According to your WTC theory, burning for a long time is irrelevant. jeff47 Sep 2012 #266
If there was such extreme force and impact RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #269
Because that poster is an idiot. jeff47 Sep 2012 #273
Are you saying that RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #277
I'm saying that you alternate scenario requires the spools to fall over too. jeff47 Sep 2012 #284
Wrong. Even at 800 degrees, steel loses significant strength. Thegonagle Sep 2012 #290
Why? Because NIST says so? n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #293
"Popular science" was a paid-for LIE. Steel does not melt from airplane fuel. Period. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #237
Astandard house fire regularly reaches 2000 degrees. jeff47 Sep 2012 #259
The steel was rated to 3600 degrees F RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #270
No, it wasn't. jeff47 Sep 2012 #275
Not 2500, but 2750 degrees F RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #276
So not 3600 as you previously claimed jeff47 Sep 2012 #283
Physical evidence RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #287
My point is you claim foresics were not done just after you talk about the results of forensics. jeff47 Sep 2012 #294
Exactly right. Thegonagle Sep 2012 #289
My Aunt Dibby was in the Empire State Building Mapletonian Sep 2012 #203
She survived in a building that wasn't hit? Who didn't? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #238
Who didn't? librarylu Sep 2012 #245
Ya might wanna read more carefully. jeff47 Sep 2012 #260
Hell, yes. I predicted it a FULL YEAR before it happened. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #248
In the fall of 2000 before the election dispute was settled I saw how vicious the kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #254
I posted my prediction to Usenet in September 2000. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #267
I believe in "let it happen" Jawja Sep 2012 #109
He is a very friendly with the Saudis Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #251
The look on Bush's face ... Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #179
exactly. nt snappyturtle Sep 2012 #184
Seconded. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #239
I've been thinking.... librarylu Sep 2012 #247
Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team) parazito86 Sep 2012 #296
Me neither. kenny blankenship Sep 2012 #281
Except that still doesn't explain buildings free-falling down into their own tracks, esp. WTC7. 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #60
The scientific community, common sense, and gravity say you're wrong. cpwm17 Sep 2012 #85
So you obviously did not watch the video, right? ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #92
Richard Gage is a well known huckster cpwm17 Sep 2012 #95
Yah, Gage sounds like a real nutcase 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #98
You forgot the "sarcasm" tag RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #135
I used to think he was a nutcase William Seger Sep 2012 #137
Please post some links... ensemble Sep 2012 #216
The Purdue Site librarylu Sep 2012 #246
For Richard Gage debunking? William Seger Sep 2012 #268
He's A Grandstanding Buffoon ProfessorGAC Sep 2012 #139
don't know if Gage is credible or not but... ensemble Sep 2012 #218
Really Silly ProfessorGAC Sep 2012 #288
Got an example or two of something he's said that's been disproven? freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #229
Of course there's a reason these building fell William Seger Sep 2012 #272
Please name a "real expert" or two. freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #291
====> William Seger Sep 2012 #295
the guy who was responsible for the design of the attack was..... madrchsod Sep 2012 #164
Thanks for posting this newfie11 Sep 2012 #168
Where, exactly, would the force come from to tip the building over? jeff47 Sep 2012 #178
I'm not certain that I'm clear on what you are asking 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #211
Read your own subject line. jeff47 Sep 2012 #256
The force to tip the building over would have come RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #250
That would be possible in an instant collapse. But the buildings didn't collapse immediately. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2012 #257
LIHOP SammyWinstonJack Sep 2012 #113
Yeah, I've been torn mostly between the LIHOP theory deutsey Sep 2012 #114
I Think You're Missing Occam's Razor ProfessorGAC Sep 2012 #140
I've considered that too deutsey Sep 2012 #142
I'd buy incompetence newspeak Sep 2012 #147
Shameless opportunism is not incompatible with arrogant... JHB Sep 2012 #196
Not missing Occam's Razor. I'm afraid some of us are missing RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #194
This is not a situation to be explained with Occam's Razor dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #200
"LIHOP" is a form of inside job. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #278
Recommended. NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #5
The neocons really thought that bin Laden was trying to protect Saddam Hussein? TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #7
Bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein. And I'm sure they knew that. They counted on the ignorance sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #34
They struggled mightily to make a connection between OBL and Hussein in the aftermath. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #41
I disagree. caseymoz Sep 2012 #42
Well, I think Rumsfeld and Cheney certainly knew. They knew Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #54
+1 nt. polly7 Sep 2012 #99
Don't be so sure - Bush did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia - while he was CiC while jillan Sep 2012 #48
Saddam saw that his control would be dogday Sep 2012 #226
"Neocons in the Pentagon" refers to a disinformation group, OSP, who also fabricated Iraq & Iran WMD leveymg Sep 2012 #104
Administration of Fools Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #8
Its still makes me f--king mad.....they thought they were so superior to everyone. Historic NY Sep 2012 #9
My how times have Changed! It was the NYT and Judy Cha Sep 2012 #10
yeah, let's not forget that some of our corporate owned networks newspeak Sep 2012 #148
I stopped watching all "news" on Cha Sep 2012 #190
FUCK that fucking fuck............. Bennyboy Sep 2012 #12
And, Later Along Comes President Obama and Cha Sep 2012 #13
If Bush had 'found' Bin Ladin then it would have been all over the media for months Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #232
If the administration wanted them to have it out there RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #279
LIHOP. vanlassie Sep 2012 #14
agree Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #26
+1 tama Sep 2012 #84
Absolutely. intheflow Sep 2012 #103
After reading Paul Thompson's "The Terror Timeline" . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #122
Yes. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #128
Agree... KansDem Sep 2012 #129
+1 noiretextatique Sep 2012 #191
They needed their "new Pearl Harbor" -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #199
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2012 #207
Even after this article from the Times dogday Sep 2012 #228
Yup. nt City Lights Sep 2012 #274
Go back to sleep. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #16
Operation Northwoods Version 2.0 Ghost in the Machine Sep 2012 #17
And STILL there are idiots out there claiming Bush will be vindicated by future doc releases Sheepshank Sep 2012 #18
Same ones that think there are WMD yet to be found....nt abelenkpe Sep 2012 #38
I could never understand how Bush and his wife could sleep that night young_at_heart Sep 2012 #20
they even laughed about it n.t grasswire Sep 2012 #37
If Bush had not stolen the election Hey Jude Sep 2012 #21
Repeated warnings-not investigated, not publicized, but ignored. No heightened alert. No chance TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #32
How fascist of you. longship Sep 2012 #46
No Way. The Republicans would have opposed every move to protect America Berlum Sep 2012 #97
read up on fbi agents like colleen rowely newspeak Sep 2012 #150
Enjoy your stay ! nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #158
Right, just like the Japanese in WWII sakabatou Sep 2012 #231
President Gore would have read his Briefings. And he would have thwarted Cheney's plans. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #242
Not really "news" Sedona Sep 2012 #22
Yes. n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #132
So? Keep on them about it... JHB Sep 2012 #198
But it was too painful for many to hear at the time. Overseas Sep 2012 #252
They knew it was coming Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #24
If I were Obama I'd have these briefings declassified in a heartbeat NCcoast Sep 2012 #25
I don't think he has the balls to do this - and he should. THIS should be the end of the Republican jillan Sep 2012 #36
look what we got out of it... Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #29
And one of the first things bu$h did when he occupied the White House Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #63
at least this means oldtime dfl_er Sep 2012 #30
It's time to charge her with perjury. speedoo Sep 2012 #75
The real question here is what is going to be done about this? Are we just going to turn away? jillan Sep 2012 #33
this article hasn't hit freerepublic yet.... grasswire Sep 2012 #35
Love it! robbob Sep 2012 #167
To make amends for this bush sent $600 checks to everybody The_Casual_Observer Sep 2012 #40
doesn't NYT have a comments section? grasswire Sep 2012 #43
Some articles don't have comments--I wish this one did. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #44
Must be hot tub night... MercutioATC Sep 2012 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Sep 2012 #51
Not hardly. Neo-cons practically flat-out said they wanted this: Hissyspit Sep 2012 #52
Damn, Hissyspit PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #58
They are war-mongers and they don't think they have anything to hide cpwm17 Sep 2012 #72
From a practical standpoint, LIHOP and MIHOP are the same thing MercutioATC Sep 2012 #61
No they're not. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #65
I don't mean to condescend, but you don't understand the mechanics of it. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #81
And I was standing in the plaza at the World Trade Center on August 11, 2001 Hissyspit Sep 2012 #88
I'll certainly agree with "LIH" (Let It Happen) MercutioATC Sep 2012 #169
Except to do so served the nefarious intent to bring down this nation. snappyturtle Sep 2012 #176
Well, that's just it. Intent is extremely hard to prove. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #209
Naivete. Did you happen to read of the REVELATIONS about what the US did re: Katyn Forest? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #241
LIHOP and MIHOP are very different William Seger Sep 2012 #159
At what point do MIHOP and LIHOP diverge? Nostradammit Sep 2012 #90
I've always wondered why they felt it important to tell the Saudi ambassador it was a go polly7 Sep 2012 #255
The most expensive national security system in the world breaking down is not that simple. Overseas Sep 2012 #253
Definitave proof that it was at the very least LIHOP... Indi Guy Sep 2012 #49
Hell yeah, Indi Guy PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #59
"Sorry boys, we're busy doing tax cuts now." moondust Sep 2012 #50
Too damn true! avaistheone1 Sep 2012 #55
K&R Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #57
This is an op-ed piece. There is nothing new here ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #66
Wrong. speedoo Sep 2012 #78
Wrong. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #89
Charlie Rose Show on PBS the evening of 9/11/01. PufPuf23 Sep 2012 #68
Known Foreign Intelligence warnings prior to 9/11 Ian62 Sep 2012 #70
John O'Neill knew hollysmom Sep 2012 #71
This is a VERY surprising development that Obama Ian62 Sep 2012 #74
Somebody could have imagined... BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #77
K&R myrna minx Sep 2012 #79
Thank you. DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #82
I think so! Segami Sep 2012 #108
The only bombshell is that it's being believed now. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2012 #83
Thank you. This is what I believe also. Like I said up thread.....it was just snappyturtle Sep 2012 #182
The mass hypnosis induced by the 9/11 searing event is wearing off Kaleko Sep 2012 #286
But but but malaise Sep 2012 #93
This is what happens when rethugs cheat, elect an incompetent, focus on their own fat mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #94
The freaking Republicans FAILED America so miserably Berlum Sep 2012 #96
LIHOP, quite possibly, MadHound Sep 2012 #100
One or the other Berlum Sep 2012 #102
one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer .... underpants Sep 2012 #107
Speculation on my part: did this sort of situation help along the torture? JHB Sep 2012 #110
You are exactly right. CTC head Cofer Black (later at Blackwater) set up and ran the torture and leveymg Sep 2012 #112
I think this was proactive CYA underpants Sep 2012 #210
Now if they would only admit it was Bush/Cheney behind the Anthrax attacks. n/t Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #116
They had to retrieve something from the mail... hunter Sep 2012 #165
I assume this is why there had to be story about Obama not attending briefings much of Blue Meany Sep 2012 #117
Exactly, the false equivalence meme CNN loves. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #170
when you refuse to believe experts that isn't "negligence" KurtNYC Sep 2012 #118
Sept. 11, 2001 brought to us all by the US Supreme Court Botany Sep 2012 #119
Treason, murder, deriliction of duty Doctor_J Sep 2012 #120
Pentagon pushed back, huh? Octafish Sep 2012 #123
Some of the "uniforms" on the JCS staff did. Mr. Licky Comb is a Bush political appointee, leveymg Sep 2012 #127
These guys should be in jail Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #234
BTW, History can also thank John Kerry. He kept taking GHWBush to court to get PDBs released blm Sep 2012 #124
Google Marvin Bush panader0 Sep 2012 #125
You can thank PNAC for this. Crowman1979 Sep 2012 #133
So DUer "truthers" are no longer being smeared as "conspiracy theorists" consigned to the dungeon? riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #136
Bush responsible clangsnwhoops Sep 2012 #141
Want to really blow your mind? Rider3 Sep 2012 #143
the opening chapter of that book is as compelling a passage Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #180
i believe President Gore would have stopped the attacks before they occured samsingh Sep 2012 #144
It wasn't negligence. Everything went as planned. nt valerief Sep 2012 #151
This story was buried, and didn't show up on today's NY Times homepage. JPZenger Sep 2012 #152
So this won't get locked as promoting CTs? EOTE Sep 2012 #153
I agree that DU's censorship policy is whack. StrictlyRockers Sep 2012 #160
Why didn't the Congressional "investigation" pursue the questions more fully? link: patrice Sep 2012 #156
So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter?? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #157
How many times are you going to post this? EOTE Sep 2012 #161
Thought about this last night before reading the article. There was NO way that this was a surprise. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #163
After getting a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S."... Blue Owl Sep 2012 #173
read Paul Thompson's 9/11 timeline Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #175
Well there goes the Election DearAbby Sep 2012 #183
Could they have ignored it ON PURPOSE because Neocons WANTED an attack to occur? Kablooie Sep 2012 #188
Too Many Take The Official Narrative As Total Truth colsohlibgal Sep 2012 #189
pretty sure Big Dawg NMlib Sep 2012 #192
What's troubling. . . matt819 Sep 2012 #195
Yeah, "negligence". The Doctor. Sep 2012 #197
I Can't Believe Mapletonian Sep 2012 #202
Old News that regretably misses the mark. Bush, Condi, et al were warned in specific terms Ford_Prefect Sep 2012 #204
good! lets crucify BUSH! not being prepared is not an EXCUSE! grok Sep 2012 #205
Oh, brother. Yeah, there's an equation for ya. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #215
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2012 #206
Even if you dismiss "conspiracy theories", Bush REALLY WANTED 9/11 to happen NAO Sep 2012 #208
It was convenient Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #227
What happened to the goat? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #214
K&R. (nt) Kurovski Sep 2012 #219
Bush and Romney Security Advisers GOPGoindown Sep 2012 #220
LOL! Warned????? Vinnie From Indy Sep 2012 #222
Worse President AND Administration in the History of this country benld74 Sep 2012 #224
+1 sakabatou Sep 2012 #233
I'm just glad this discussion isn't being moved to the gawdammed dungeon 7wo7rees Sep 2012 #230
George tenet knows more than he is letting on Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #236
I'm shocked. SHOCKED! (How many people suggesting this for a decade were accused of "tin-foil"?) WinkyDink Sep 2012 #235
This wasnt negligence, gael Sep 2012 #243
The author of this piece in the NYT was on Anderson Cooper tonight!!! Major Hogwash Sep 2012 #244
I watched. He was very very good and reduced Fleischer to a bumbling idiot. n/t lamp_shade Sep 2012 #261
He Knew. Never Forget. blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #262
As they say in Texas....... Gabby Hayes Sep 2012 #263
LIHOP! MoonRiver Sep 2012 #271
Is it NEGLIGENCE when you say: 'All right. You've covered your ass, now."? Octafish Sep 2012 #282
Condi Rice will not have her integrity impugned with the facts. Supersedeas Sep 2012 #285
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