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In reply to the discussion: I'd like someone to tell me how it is possible to be a liberal and not support striking teachers. [View all]lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)32. It is a background issue, not central to the strike.
Still, Mr. Vitale expressed optimism that an agreement was within reach, and school officials have said the only unresolved issues are how to evaluate teachers and whether teaching openings should automatically go to laid-off teachers. They say they have made significant concessions in contract talks, including what would amount to a 16 percent pay increase for teachers over four years.
But union leaders say there continues to be an array of differences, including benefits, raises based on experience level, the lack of air-conditioning in classrooms and training days for teachers. The school system faces what is projected to be a $1 billion deficit in the systems operating budget next year.
Teacher evaluations, however, appear to be the most difficult issue to resolve.
While union leaders say they accept that some portion of teacher evaluations will be tethered to student test scores they believe that the schools current proposal would push the equation out of balance.
But union leaders say there continues to be an array of differences, including benefits, raises based on experience level, the lack of air-conditioning in classrooms and training days for teachers. The school system faces what is projected to be a $1 billion deficit in the systems operating budget next year.
Teacher evaluations, however, appear to be the most difficult issue to resolve.
While union leaders say they accept that some portion of teacher evaluations will be tethered to student test scores they believe that the schools current proposal would push the equation out of balance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/education/talks-to-continue-in-chicago-teachers-strike.html?pagewanted=all
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I'd like someone to tell me how it is possible to be a liberal and not support striking teachers. [View all]
Stinky The Clown
Sep 2012
OP
"they were joined by many of the very people who are most inconvenienced by their walkout"
Hissyspit
Sep 2012
#134
I think you are right that part of human nature says "I have it tough, so should they". BUT
pampango
Sep 2012
#43
This is not the 1st time the economy has dipped or fallen. Teachers are society's scapegoats today.
MichiganVote
Sep 2012
#100
Even with Government jobs, we don't have a right to work public servants like slaves.
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#12
Good work NEVER comes cheap. People keep trying to circumvent that and it never works.
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#187
No, but they're worth WELL over $76K and teachers around here don't make nearly that much.
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#232
The contract that they will eventually accept won't affect privatized schools in any way.
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#179
So long as teachers aren't striking, it's being run properly? Does it matter if kids are learning?
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#223
Ah, not to argue over this as I agree as far as your list of adults goes, more or less.
NYC_SKP
Sep 2012
#213
If you think that the policy and conduct of your school district is none of your business...
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#216
They called the strike because they wanted improvements in working conditions.
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#255
I don't know. Maybe if you have three kids and have nowhere else to send them to school ...
GodlessBiker
Sep 2012
#2
I grew up in the desert. Arizona, to be specific. I live in Portland, OR now, but have no clue...
boppers
Sep 2012
#139
Every time one crab tries to climb out of the bucket, the other crabs drag him back down. n/t
backscatter712
Sep 2012
#152
Sorry, mountain boy myself. When you go crabbing you just bring a pail and as
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2012
#159
Oh, forget it. You win. All liberals are equally politically sophisticated.
GodlessBiker
Sep 2012
#121
People understand nuance, but at some point you do have to pick a side usually.
Hissyspit
Sep 2012
#130
How is "not informed" a bad *argument* for why people might be against the strike?
boppers
Sep 2012
#140
You are right about the need to learn about the interconncetedness of things. When I...
YvonneCa
Sep 2012
#143
I'd like somebody to tell me how it is possible to say that liberals should ALWAYS do anything.
renie408
Sep 2012
#5
Simple. You can't. Now, you can certainly be a Democrat and be strongly anti-worker, just look
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2012
#8
There are plenty of profits when the public sphere is privatized, which is what's been happening
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#28
We agree that privatized schools are a problem. But that's not the topic.
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#55
16% is a bargaining position that carries with it, e.g. higher employee payments for health benefits
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#57
Okay, fine. Point out the teacher analagous to Bill Gates in the CPS system.
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#65
There isn't likely to be any teacher analogous to bill gates. but the 'average" *is* right-skewed
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#77
i'm not sure why you think that negates my example. In my example on the misleading nature
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#202
Your contention is that an average figure doesn't give an accurate idea of the pay of each teacher.
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#245
where's that, jeff? btw, of course you know that the rahm gang passed a law that limited
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#246
what don't you understand about 'there is no fucking 16% raise.' that's a bargaining position, and
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#251
if all they wanted was a raise, they could have got it on day one. because rahm came in with
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#253
Saying 'i support the chicago teachers strike' and 'chicago teachers make too much money' =
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#256
Senate Bill 7 was the work of Jonah Edelman, his corporate reform group Stand for Children, and
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#258
you realize that the atlanta cheating scandal is fallout from the move to high-stakes testing,
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#37
That is a local issue and has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Yes, people have let their school
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2012
#197
I don't think there is a single person that contends that the schools are not screwed up and that
Egalitarian Thug
Sep 2012
#17
I will take you at your word that you don't want a flame war, and will answer you in kind:
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#18
I didn't mean to imply that 'you' were pretending...I just think Karen Lewis has been disengenuous
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#21
All I know about the CPS is a handful of teachers I've known over the years...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2012
#41
I have no complaint with the compensation, mind you. But when you add in the 5:45
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#45
What you are implying is illegal and undemocratic. A union is obliged to follow the laws
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#51
You should look for a teacher. They might be able to help you understand statistics.
jeff47
Sep 2012
#92
Do CPAs have a 3-5 year probationary period before they are deemed "real" CPAs with rights?
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#30
When you've told someone to 'shut up' it indicates that you have no argument.
msanthrope
Sep 2012
#83
Sorry, they are asking for more assistant teachers s so that there are more teachers/assistants/....
Walk away
Sep 2012
#257
I support all striking workers: it's this kind of half-arsed attitude towards unions that weakens
MatthewStLouis
Sep 2012
#33
I think some UAW contracts in the 70s were out of control. So sometimes the union might be wrong.
Logical
Sep 2012
#47
Labor cost is less than 10% of a vehicle. does that sound out of control to you?
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#78
To the argument of the CPA and MD and other professionals who lose licenses...
cr8tvlde
Sep 2012
#48
Lackluster would be having only a single, simplistic dimension to your membership in society.
eomer
Sep 2012
#265
In order to answer your question, I think we would need a solid working
coalition_unwilling
Sep 2012
#60
No shit. I'm appalled at how people who disagreed with the OP were treated.
great white snark
Sep 2012
#107
Omaha Steve got dozens of union members to sign up when WI was happening.
Starry Messenger
Sep 2012
#117
Awesome! You know to the dollar what your kids are worth. Very nice, very nice.
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2012
#86
I did. You replied to a poster talking about their children's income, but made a remark about worth.
boppers
Sep 2012
#173
We can't pay our teachers more, but we can pay for drone strikes and tax breaks for the rich???
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#194
What I find especially...interesting...is why objectivity like yours is castigated.
randome
Sep 2012
#97
what is labeled a liberal here in most of teh world would be label far left fringe
rdking647
Sep 2012
#169
does being a liberal mean you have to support every single so called liberal idea?
rdking647
Sep 2012
#94
What is a Liberal to you? I am a Democrat and Democrats traditionally support the
sabrina 1
Sep 2012
#101
If you supported the teachers in Wisconsin, it doesn't make any sense that you wouldn't support
proud2BlibKansan
Sep 2012
#125
How is it possible to be a Democrat and not support a Democratic Mayor? (nt)
Nye Bevan
Sep 2012
#108
I support unions in general, but that doesn't mean liberals have to support 100%
Proles
Sep 2012
#124
Well you're right, I should have read the question more closely. I thought it said unions.
Proles
Sep 2012
#163
"of course i support unions...teachers...just not in *this* case....or any other case that comes
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#288
It's possible to be a liberal and not support lots of things. To be liberal is to be part of a herd
cherokeeprogressive
Sep 2012
#185
Had you made this comment originally, I'd have taken your meaning.
DemocratsForProgress
Sep 2012
#277
You aren't talking to liberals. You aren't even talking to "centrists."
woo me with science
Sep 2012
#209
You asked a very specific question, and you got a very specific answer.
lumberjack_jeff
Sep 2012
#234