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In reply to the discussion: So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter?? [View all]leveymg
(36,418 posts)106. By the time that Cheney is alleged to have said that, it was perfectly clear that an attack was in
progress. That was well after aircraft hit the WTC, and NORAD and the White House knew that multiple hijackings were in progress. What was going through Cheney's mind as Flt. 77 headed in from the West toward Washington, and then turned at the last minute, executing a high-G descending turn to strike the Pentagon at 9:37 am, we may never know.

The Dick Cheney Timeline ( http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?day_of_9/11=dickcheney&timeline=complete_911_timeline ):
(Between 9:20 a.m. and 9:27 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Transportation Secretary Mineta Reaches Bunker, Meets Vice President Cheney
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Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta. [Source: US Department of Transportation]Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta arrives at the White House bunkerthe Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC)containing Vice President Dick Cheney and others. Mineta will tell NBC News that he arrives there at probably about 9:27, though he later says to the 9/11 Commission that he arrives at about 9:20 a.m. He also later recalls that Cheney is already there when he arrives. [MSNBC, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004; Academy of Achievement, 6/3/2006] This supports accounts of Cheney reaching the bunker not long after the second WTC crash (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Questioned about this in 2007 by an activist group, Mineta will confirm that Cheney was absolutely already there in the PEOC when he arrived, and that This was before American Airlines [Flight 77] went into the Pentagon, which happens at 9:37. Yet, while admitting there is conflicting evidence about when the vice president arrived in the PEOC, the 9/11 Commission will conclude that the vice president arrived in the room shortly before 10:00, perhaps at 9:58. Mineta also later claims that when he arrives in the PEOC, Mrs. Lynne Cheney, the wife of the vice president, is already there. Yet the 9/11 Commission will claim she only arrives at the White House at 9:52 (see (9:52 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 40; 911truthseattle (.org), 6/26/2007] Once in the PEOC, Mineta establishes open phone lines with his office at the Department of Transportation and with the FAA Operations Center. [Academy of Achievement, 6/3/2006]
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(9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Cheney Given Updates on Unidentified Flight 77 Heading toward Washington; Says Orders Still Stand; but Accounts Differ on Timing and Identity of the Plane
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According to some accounts, Vice President Dick Cheney is in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House by this time, along with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and others. Mineta will recall that, while a suspicious plane is heading toward Washington, an unidentified young man comes in and says to Cheney, The plane is 50 miles out. Mineta confers with acting FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger, who is at the FAAs Washington headquarters. Belger says to him: Were watching this target on the radar, but the transponders been turned off. So we have no identification. According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, The plane is 30 miles out, and when he gets down to The plane is 10 miles out, asks, Do the orders still stand? In response, Cheney whipped his neck around and said, Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary? Mineta will say that, just by the nature of all the events going on, he infers that the order being referred to is a shootdown order. Nevertheless, Flight 77 continues on and hits the Pentagon. [BBC, 9/1/2002; ABC News, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004] However, the 9/11 Commission will later claim the plane heading toward Washington is only discovered by the Dulles Airport air traffic control tower at 9:32 a.m. (see 9:32 a.m. September 11, 2001). But earlier accounts, including statements made by the FAA and NORAD, will claim that the FAA notified the military about the suspected hijacking of Flight 77 at 9:24 a.m., if not before (see (9:24 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The FBIs Washington Field Office was also reportedly notified that Flight 77 had been hijacked at about 9:20 a.m. (see (9:20 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The 9/11 Commission will further contradict Minetas account saying that, despite the conflicting evidence as to when the vice president arrived in the shelter conference room [i.e., the PEOC], it has concluded that he only arrived there at 9:58 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] According to the Washington Post, the discussion between Cheney and the young aide over whether the orders still stand occurs later than claimed by Mineta, and is in response to Flight 93 heading toward Washington, not Flight 77. [Washington Post, 1/27/2002]
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Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta. [Source: US Department of Transportation]Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta arrives at the White House bunkerthe Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC)containing Vice President Dick Cheney and others. Mineta will tell NBC News that he arrives there at probably about 9:27, though he later says to the 9/11 Commission that he arrives at about 9:20 a.m. He also later recalls that Cheney is already there when he arrives. [MSNBC, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004; Academy of Achievement, 6/3/2006] This supports accounts of Cheney reaching the bunker not long after the second WTC crash (see (9:10 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Questioned about this in 2007 by an activist group, Mineta will confirm that Cheney was absolutely already there in the PEOC when he arrived, and that This was before American Airlines [Flight 77] went into the Pentagon, which happens at 9:37. Yet, while admitting there is conflicting evidence about when the vice president arrived in the PEOC, the 9/11 Commission will conclude that the vice president arrived in the room shortly before 10:00, perhaps at 9:58. Mineta also later claims that when he arrives in the PEOC, Mrs. Lynne Cheney, the wife of the vice president, is already there. Yet the 9/11 Commission will claim she only arrives at the White House at 9:52 (see (9:52 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 40; 911truthseattle (.org), 6/26/2007] Once in the PEOC, Mineta establishes open phone lines with his office at the Department of Transportation and with the FAA Operations Center. [Academy of Achievement, 6/3/2006]
Entity Tags: Lynne Cheney, Richard (Dick) Cheney, Norman Mineta
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Category Tags: All Day of 9/11 Events, Flight AA 77, Dick Cheney
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(9:26 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Cheney Given Updates on Unidentified Flight 77 Heading toward Washington; Says Orders Still Stand; but Accounts Differ on Timing and Identity of the Plane
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According to some accounts, Vice President Dick Cheney is in the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) below the White House by this time, along with Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta and others. Mineta will recall that, while a suspicious plane is heading toward Washington, an unidentified young man comes in and says to Cheney, The plane is 50 miles out. Mineta confers with acting FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger, who is at the FAAs Washington headquarters. Belger says to him: Were watching this target on the radar, but the transponders been turned off. So we have no identification. According to Mineta, the young man continues updating the vice president, saying, The plane is 30 miles out, and when he gets down to The plane is 10 miles out, asks, Do the orders still stand? In response, Cheney whipped his neck around and said, Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary? Mineta will say that, just by the nature of all the events going on, he infers that the order being referred to is a shootdown order. Nevertheless, Flight 77 continues on and hits the Pentagon. [BBC, 9/1/2002; ABC News, 9/11/2002; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; 9/11 Commission, 5/23/2003; St. Petersburg Times, 7/4/2004] However, the 9/11 Commission will later claim the plane heading toward Washington is only discovered by the Dulles Airport air traffic control tower at 9:32 a.m. (see 9:32 a.m. September 11, 2001). But earlier accounts, including statements made by the FAA and NORAD, will claim that the FAA notified the military about the suspected hijacking of Flight 77 at 9:24 a.m., if not before (see (9:24 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The FBIs Washington Field Office was also reportedly notified that Flight 77 had been hijacked at about 9:20 a.m. (see (9:20 a.m.) September 11, 2001). The 9/11 Commission will further contradict Minetas account saying that, despite the conflicting evidence as to when the vice president arrived in the shelter conference room [i.e., the PEOC], it has concluded that he only arrived there at 9:58 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] According to the Washington Post, the discussion between Cheney and the young aide over whether the orders still stand occurs later than claimed by Mineta, and is in response to Flight 93 heading toward Washington, not Flight 77. [Washington Post, 1/27/2002]
Entity Tags: Richard (Dick) Cheney, Monte Belger, Norman Mineta
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So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter?? [View all]
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
OP
He might have acted before the hijacking to increase security for starters.
Ganja Ninja
Sep 2012
#29
But, but, but he was on vacation clearing brush from the pig farm. Everybody knows when you're on
Booster
Sep 2012
#37
One of the terrorists in Boston was actually detained for a while, because a screener
pnwmom
Sep 2012
#62
That's just a stupid statement. Sorry, I can't pull punches. Commander of the military.
Bluenorthwest
Sep 2012
#20
Which part of STANDARD PROCEDURE for hijackings do people not understand
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#58
it was a hijacking before it hit the towers, why wasn't NORAD sent to intercept?
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#99
The entire upper echelon of the Bush administration should be in the Hague.
HughBeaumont
Sep 2012
#88
yes, instead they are writing books and doing the corporate media talk shows
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#94
Did the military wait for the President's order to intercept Payne Stewart's plane?
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#56
If you think I am defending Bush, your reading comprehension is flawed.
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#87
suggesting NORAD would have responded to this emergency if the Bushco had not interfered
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#101
Assuming you are correct, would it be fair to conclude that those who voted for junior's
indepat
Sep 2012
#132
If we can confirm how those procedures were countermanded, we have the key to LIHOP
TrogL
Sep 2012
#4
from the same bullshit corporate media that lied to our faces to start a war in Iraq
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#77
What we know now about the corporate media- they lie about anything and everything!
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#86
yes, they are so arrogant they put their PNAC plans on the web for all to see
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#96
Funny, I had always been told that the President IS the Commander in Chief of the military.
Autumn
Sep 2012
#44
While I don't think that Bush is insignificant, I have for some time thought that your main point is
patrice
Sep 2012
#14
Sorry I can't remember the titles of the books I read about this several years ago, but
patrice
Sep 2012
#26
I did read it -- but it was kind of confusing, so I understand why others were confused.
Voice for Peace
Sep 2012
#115
I read once that the changes in the chain-of-command turned out to be circular, resulting only
patrice
Sep 2012
#116
a.k.a. Plausible Deniability, a highly MARKETABLE commodity, especialy when DISTRIBUTED amongst
patrice
Sep 2012
#118
"This whole 'Bush didn't do anything' is a distraction. Bush didn't have to do anything."
ProSense
Sep 2012
#17
Just like Katrina, someone was actively interfering with the natural response to the crisis
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#21
The president's Oath of Office is to UPHOLD the CONSTITUTION, not command the military
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#64
please read up on FAA NORAD standard procedures when plane veers off course, shuts of transponder
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#103
Hey Congress, would it be interesting to know when procedures established that RADAR orientation? nt
patrice
Sep 2012
#39
It was issued through the JCS. Good question. The story I recall was the change
leveymg
Sep 2012
#59
By the time that Cheney is alleged to have said that, it was perfectly clear that an attack was in
leveymg
Sep 2012
#106
What kind of a failure is it when, as Dubya phrased it, they "hit a trifecta"?
leveymg
Sep 2012
#119
The legal term is, "with reckless and wanton disregard and depraved indifference to human life"
leveymg
Sep 2012
#134
I've read the major works that argue for foreknowledge, but find them unconvincing. Not so for 9/11
leveymg
Sep 2012
#148
Rumsfeld was the one man on the planet that had no idea about the WTC until a plane hit the pentagon
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#35
If they paid more attention, maybe they could have put Norad & the FAA on high alert.
jillan
Sep 2012
#33
It matters when the lying fucknuts claim that the idiot in chief "kept us safe on his watch".
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2012
#34
clearly! But what does it say when they actively prevented the emergency response?
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#38
That is speculation. What is fact is that this happened on their watch.
Warren Stupidity
Sep 2012
#41
It matters if he didn't make the necessary people aware there might be an attack.
Frustratedlady
Sep 2012
#36
I'm not defending Bush, but he didn't need to do anything for them to act on Payne Stewart's plane
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#42
I'm not defending Bush. I am suggesting this is more than incompetence.
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#74
if he 'ignored' it, you bet it matters. how many people died in his ginned up wars?
spanone
Sep 2012
#53
I think the general idea is that taking the warning seriously might improve response
cthulu2016
Sep 2012
#61
Clearly, he should have increased the intrusiveness of airport passenger inspections
jberryhill
Sep 2012
#63
So, you would have accepted the TSA procedures, if instituted at that time?
jberryhill
Sep 2012
#114
This sounds like apologetics for a damn murdering torturing traitor regarding his
Lint Head
Sep 2012
#85
Did he lie about Iraq leading to the deaths of millions of innocent Iraqis?
RepublicansRZombies
Sep 2012
#90
There was a plan to invade Iraq long before he was installed by the United States Supreme Cowards.
Lint Head
Sep 2012
#107
It happened on Bush's watch! Let the GOPers weasel out of that true statement!
MatthewStLouis
Sep 2012
#97
What happened to that communication link? Would it have been updated if PDBs were taken
patrice
Sep 2012
#122
Did Congress ever ask questions about the INSURANCE environment in which all of this went down?
patrice
Sep 2012
#120
Are you implying complicity or just the fact that they played dumb? nt
Guy Whitey Corngood
Sep 2012
#121
And don't forge the 2½ inch thick report that the out going Clinton Administration gave the
RC
Sep 2012
#142
It wasn't just one warning. It was a slew of them that were ignored. This is just coming out.
Cleita
Sep 2012
#140
I'm more concerned with the 5 people who recc'ed this than the bushsucking troll who posted it
DisgustipatedinCA
Sep 2012
#143