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colsohlibgal

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189. Too Many Take The Official Narrative As Total Truth

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:27 PM

Sep 2012

As has been pointed out, visit Thompson's 9/11 timeline. Virtually every point has a link you can check.

One of the smoking guns for me is Condi before the sham 9/11 whitewash commission, when she said that no one could have imagined planes flying into buildings. That is a total lie, they were warned by at least 15 countries, some of the warnings pretty specific. Even Syria warned us. High Ranking military types were told to avoid commercial flights that weekend. Rushdie's security team kept him out the air, etc, etc.

Check the pilot's 9/11 page and see their opinion on the chances of skinny guys who had trained on a Cessna flying precise routes, at beyond normal speed, with huge jet planes.

Do research people, question everything. Part of the overall problem in the US is low info citizens, many of them taking Fox News as fact based truth. I'm not sure what the real story is about 9/11/01, I'm just sure it isn't the official one. Oh, google Rumsfeld 9/10/01 and see his presser that day and feel your eyebrows raise.

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NYT BOMBSHELL: Significantly MORE 9/11 NEGLIGENCE Than Has Been Disclosed [View all] Segami Sep 2012 OP

So: who has known about this, and for how long? n/t gkhouston Sep 2012 #1

Exactly...There used to be a link circa 2001/2002 that I sent to Bushbots deutsey Sep 2012 #111

THIS bombshell just lost the election for Romney. This is worse then what they did to the economy.. jillan Sep 2012 #2

Repukes do not read the NYT burrowowl Sep 2012 #6

I don't think this story is going to go away. It's going to reach far and wide. jillan Sep 2012 #15

Saudi Arabia! Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #225

Agreed Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #80

In fact, I do not think they read at all, They get all the info they need from Fox. smirkymonkey Sep 2012 #217

And remember a percentage of Ohio Repukes ladym55 Sep 2012 #240

Fortunately for Romney, the majority of Republicans think Romney killed bin Laden. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #23

lol avaistheone1 Sep 2012 #56

Not funny krawhitham Sep 2012 #64

omg. They are really THAT stupid. avaistheone1 Sep 2012 #67

I don't disagree, but I think a chunk of that number... JHB Sep 2012 #101

Except for one thing... caraher Sep 2012 #172

I covered that... JHB Sep 2012 #187

No. They are that racist. Nobody is that stupid. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #155

If only we could harness the power of stupidity, we'd have an endless source of energy. tclambert Sep 2012 #181

in North Carolina RainbowOverTexas Sep 2012 #145

Maybe in the more "special" areas of my state lexx21 Sep 2012 #292

No one who doesn't already believe it will believe it LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #27

I agree get the red out Sep 2012 #130

Bingo tavalon Sep 2012 #138

I believe that black ops have been used for many years to bbgrunt Sep 2012 #146

what's a 'ct'? eom ellenfl Sep 2012 #166

conspiracy theory n/t LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #171

ah, thanks. my mind was blank! eom ellenfl Sep 2012 #174

Conspiracy Theory get the red out Sep 2012 #185

Yes, blame the people... ensemble Sep 2012 #213

I don't blame anybody but the top get the red out Sep 2012 #221

so the people who question the official story... ensemble Sep 2012 #223

No, not most get the red out Sep 2012 #264

No. To the Republicans, this is ancient history. And they have never blamed Bush, & won't.nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #28

They CAN'T blame Bush! They don't even remember him! n/t Beartracks Sep 2012 #53

Remember who? Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #149

Good loyalsister Sep 2012 #186

There's no bombshell here, it's old info in an opinion piece ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #69

It is not "old info". speedoo Sep 2012 #76

2 things: 1) the author referes to unreleased breifings... JHB Sep 2012 #105

It may be a bombshell to lots of people who dared not look too closely when the experience was still Overseas Sep 2012 #249

Good to Hear gussmith Sep 2012 #73

But Robme had nothing to do with any of that.. regnaD kciN Sep 2012 #91

Not if you highlight all the neocons among his foreign policy advisors JHB Sep 2012 #106

Gov. Rmoney You Have Many Advisors On Your Staff That Ignored The Threats Of 9/11 Before.... global1 Sep 2012 #115

Unfortunately our bipartisan president will never mention any of this. Doctor_J Sep 2012 #121

Conservatives are working overtime Catherine Vincent Sep 2012 #162

That picture of bush is a picture of total failure thelordofhell Sep 2012 #3

"Failure" implies his goal was something other than what happened. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2012 #19

Thank you. DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #62

Nicely Done! Nostradammit Sep 2012 #86

I believe that a significant factor was his administration was dominated by PNAC neo-cons. olegramps Sep 2012 #126

Not quite an inside job Iwasthere Sep 2012 #4

Yep, I wouldn't be surprised if they let it happen on purpose. nt Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #11

I have believed this (LIHOP) almost since day one. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #31

You, me, and half of the people in this country. Major Hogwash Sep 2012 #39

Way, way, way too much evidence. StrictlyRockers Sep 2012 #47

Compounded by the way he and his warmongering ghouls exploited the attack for political gain. calimary Sep 2012 #87

Very well said, calimari. StrictlyRockers Sep 2012 #154

But that kind of "conspiracy" talk is verboten here. kenny blankenship Sep 2012 #280

I didn't suspect fowl play on day one but over time the 'explanations' didn't snappyturtle Sep 2012 #131

At the very LEAST LIHOP RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #134

6) It happened before. jeff47 Sep 2012 #177

Not to mention, never, before or since has a similar building RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #193

Fire hot jeff47 Sep 2012 #201

Kerosene burns at 800 degrees F. RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #212

House fires regularly get to 2000 degrees. Nothing in a house burns at 2000 degrees. jeff47 Sep 2012 #258

Plastics RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #265

According to your WTC theory, burning for a long time is irrelevant. jeff47 Sep 2012 #266

If there was such extreme force and impact RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #269

Because that poster is an idiot. jeff47 Sep 2012 #273

Are you saying that RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #277

I'm saying that you alternate scenario requires the spools to fall over too. jeff47 Sep 2012 #284

Wrong. Even at 800 degrees, steel loses significant strength. Thegonagle Sep 2012 #290

Why? Because NIST says so? n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #293

"Popular science" was a paid-for LIE. Steel does not melt from airplane fuel. Period. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #237

Astandard house fire regularly reaches 2000 degrees. jeff47 Sep 2012 #259

The steel was rated to 3600 degrees F RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #270

No, it wasn't. jeff47 Sep 2012 #275

Not 2500, but 2750 degrees F RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #276

So not 3600 as you previously claimed jeff47 Sep 2012 #283

Physical evidence RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #287

My point is you claim foresics were not done just after you talk about the results of forensics. jeff47 Sep 2012 #294

Exactly right. Thegonagle Sep 2012 #289

My Aunt Dibby was in the Empire State Building Mapletonian Sep 2012 #203

She survived in a building that wasn't hit? Who didn't? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #238

Who didn't? librarylu Sep 2012 #245

Ya might wanna read more carefully. jeff47 Sep 2012 #260

Hell, yes. I predicted it a FULL YEAR before it happened. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #248

In the fall of 2000 before the election dispute was settled I saw how vicious the kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #254

I posted my prediction to Usenet in September 2000. TahitiNut Sep 2012 #267

I believe in "let it happen" Jawja Sep 2012 #109

He is a very friendly with the Saudis Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #251

The look on Bush's face ... Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #179

exactly. nt snappyturtle Sep 2012 #184

Seconded. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #239

I've been thinking.... librarylu Sep 2012 #247

Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team) parazito86 Sep 2012 #296

Me neither. kenny blankenship Sep 2012 #281

Except that still doesn't explain buildings free-falling down into their own tracks, esp. WTC7. 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #60

The scientific community, common sense, and gravity say you're wrong. cpwm17 Sep 2012 #85

So you obviously did not watch the video, right? ~nt 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #92

Richard Gage is a well known huckster cpwm17 Sep 2012 #95

Yah, Gage sounds like a real nutcase 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #98

You forgot the "sarcasm" tag RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #135

I used to think he was a nutcase William Seger Sep 2012 #137

Please post some links... ensemble Sep 2012 #216

The Purdue Site librarylu Sep 2012 #246

For Richard Gage debunking? William Seger Sep 2012 #268

He's A Grandstanding Buffoon ProfessorGAC Sep 2012 #139

don't know if Gage is credible or not but... ensemble Sep 2012 #218

Really Silly ProfessorGAC Sep 2012 #288

Got an example or two of something he's said that's been disproven? freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #229

Of course there's a reason these building fell William Seger Sep 2012 #272

Please name a "real expert" or two. freedom fighter jh Sep 2012 #291

====> William Seger Sep 2012 #295

the guy who was responsible for the design of the attack was..... madrchsod Sep 2012 #164

Thanks for posting this newfie11 Sep 2012 #168

Where, exactly, would the force come from to tip the building over? jeff47 Sep 2012 #178

I'm not certain that I'm clear on what you are asking 99th_Monkey Sep 2012 #211

Read your own subject line. jeff47 Sep 2012 #256

The force to tip the building over would have come RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #250

That would be possible in an instant collapse. But the buildings didn't collapse immediately. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2012 #257

LIHOP SammyWinstonJack Sep 2012 #113

Yeah, I've been torn mostly between the LIHOP theory deutsey Sep 2012 #114

I Think You're Missing Occam's Razor ProfessorGAC Sep 2012 #140

I've considered that too deutsey Sep 2012 #142

I'd buy incompetence newspeak Sep 2012 #147

Shameless opportunism is not incompatible with arrogant... JHB Sep 2012 #196

Not missing Occam's Razor. I'm afraid some of us are missing RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #194

This is not a situation to be explained with Occam's Razor dreamnightwind Sep 2012 #200

"LIHOP" is a form of inside job. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #278

Recommended. NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #5

The neocons really thought that bin Laden was trying to protect Saddam Hussein? TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #7

Bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein. And I'm sure they knew that. They counted on the ignorance sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #34

They struggled mightily to make a connection between OBL and Hussein in the aftermath. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #41

I disagree. caseymoz Sep 2012 #42

Well, I think Rumsfeld and Cheney certainly knew. They knew Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #54

+1 nt. polly7 Sep 2012 #99

Don't be so sure - Bush did not know the difference between Sunni and Shia - while he was CiC while jillan Sep 2012 #48

Saddam saw that his control would be dogday Sep 2012 #226

"Neocons in the Pentagon" refers to a disinformation group, OSP, who also fabricated Iraq & Iran WMD leveymg Sep 2012 #104

Administration of Fools Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #8

Its still makes me f--king mad.....they thought they were so superior to everyone. Historic NY Sep 2012 #9

My how times have Changed! It was the NYT and Judy Cha Sep 2012 #10

yeah, let's not forget that some of our corporate owned networks newspeak Sep 2012 #148

I stopped watching all "news" on Cha Sep 2012 #190

FUCK that fucking fuck............. Bennyboy Sep 2012 #12

And, Later Along Comes President Obama and Cha Sep 2012 #13

If Bush had 'found' Bin Ladin then it would have been all over the media for months Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #232

If the administration wanted them to have it out there RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #279

LIHOP. vanlassie Sep 2012 #14

agree Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #26

+1 tama Sep 2012 #84

Absolutely. intheflow Sep 2012 #103

After reading Paul Thompson's "The Terror Timeline" . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #122

Yes. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #128

Agree... KansDem Sep 2012 #129

+1 noiretextatique Sep 2012 #191

They needed their "new Pearl Harbor" -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #199

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2012 #207

Even after this article from the Times dogday Sep 2012 #228

Yup. nt City Lights Sep 2012 #274

Go back to sleep. Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #16

Operation Northwoods Version 2.0 Ghost in the Machine Sep 2012 #17

And STILL there are idiots out there claiming Bush will be vindicated by future doc releases Sheepshank Sep 2012 #18

Same ones that think there are WMD yet to be found....nt abelenkpe Sep 2012 #38

I could never understand how Bush and his wife could sleep that night young_at_heart Sep 2012 #20

they even laughed about it n.t grasswire Sep 2012 #37

If Bush had not stolen the election Hey Jude Sep 2012 #21

Repeated warnings-not investigated, not publicized, but ignored. No heightened alert. No chance TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #32

How fascist of you. longship Sep 2012 #46

No Way. The Republicans would have opposed every move to protect America Berlum Sep 2012 #97

read up on fbi agents like colleen rowely newspeak Sep 2012 #150

Enjoy your stay ! nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2012 #158

Right, just like the Japanese in WWII sakabatou Sep 2012 #231

President Gore would have read his Briefings. And he would have thwarted Cheney's plans. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #242

Not really "news" Sedona Sep 2012 #22

Yes. n/t RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #132

So? Keep on them about it... JHB Sep 2012 #198

But it was too painful for many to hear at the time. Overseas Sep 2012 #252

They knew it was coming Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #24

If I were Obama I'd have these briefings declassified in a heartbeat NCcoast Sep 2012 #25

I don't think he has the balls to do this - and he should. THIS should be the end of the Republican jillan Sep 2012 #36

look what we got out of it... Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #29

And one of the first things bu$h did when he occupied the White House Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #63

at least this means oldtime dfl_er Sep 2012 #30

It's time to charge her with perjury. speedoo Sep 2012 #75

The real question here is what is going to be done about this? Are we just going to turn away? jillan Sep 2012 #33

this article hasn't hit freerepublic yet.... grasswire Sep 2012 #35

Love it! robbob Sep 2012 #167

To make amends for this bush sent $600 checks to everybody The_Casual_Observer Sep 2012 #40

doesn't NYT have a comments section? grasswire Sep 2012 #43

Some articles don't have comments--I wish this one did. TwilightGardener Sep 2012 #44

Must be hot tub night... MercutioATC Sep 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Sep 2012 #51

Not hardly. Neo-cons practically flat-out said they wanted this: Hissyspit Sep 2012 #52

Damn, Hissyspit PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #58

They are war-mongers and they don't think they have anything to hide cpwm17 Sep 2012 #72

From a practical standpoint, LIHOP and MIHOP are the same thing MercutioATC Sep 2012 #61

No they're not. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #65

I don't mean to condescend, but you don't understand the mechanics of it. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #81

And I was standing in the plaza at the World Trade Center on August 11, 2001 Hissyspit Sep 2012 #88

I'll certainly agree with "LIH" (Let It Happen) MercutioATC Sep 2012 #169

Except to do so served the nefarious intent to bring down this nation. snappyturtle Sep 2012 #176

Well, that's just it. Intent is extremely hard to prove. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #209

Naivete. Did you happen to read of the REVELATIONS about what the US did re: Katyn Forest? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #241

LIHOP and MIHOP are very different William Seger Sep 2012 #159

At what point do MIHOP and LIHOP diverge? Nostradammit Sep 2012 #90

I've always wondered why they felt it important to tell the Saudi ambassador it was a go polly7 Sep 2012 #255

The most expensive national security system in the world breaking down is not that simple. Overseas Sep 2012 #253

Definitave proof that it was at the very least LIHOP... Indi Guy Sep 2012 #49

Hell yeah, Indi Guy PopeOxycontinI Sep 2012 #59

"Sorry boys, we're busy doing tax cuts now." moondust Sep 2012 #50

Too damn true! avaistheone1 Sep 2012 #55

K&R Firebrand Gary Sep 2012 #57

This is an op-ed piece. There is nothing new here ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #66

Wrong. speedoo Sep 2012 #78

Wrong. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #89

Charlie Rose Show on PBS the evening of 9/11/01. PufPuf23 Sep 2012 #68

Known Foreign Intelligence warnings prior to 9/11 Ian62 Sep 2012 #70

John O'Neill knew hollysmom Sep 2012 #71

This is a VERY surprising development that Obama Ian62 Sep 2012 #74

Somebody could have imagined... BeyondGeography Sep 2012 #77

K&R myrna minx Sep 2012 #79

Thank you. DemocratsForProgress Sep 2012 #82

I think so! Segami Sep 2012 #108

The only bombshell is that it's being believed now. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2012 #83

Thank you. This is what I believe also. Like I said up thread.....it was just snappyturtle Sep 2012 #182

The mass hypnosis induced by the 9/11 searing event is wearing off Kaleko Sep 2012 #286

But but but malaise Sep 2012 #93

This is what happens when rethugs cheat, elect an incompetent, focus on their own fat mfcorey1 Sep 2012 #94

The freaking Republicans FAILED America so miserably Berlum Sep 2012 #96

LIHOP, quite possibly, MadHound Sep 2012 #100

One or the other Berlum Sep 2012 #102

one official suggested that the staff put in for a transfer .... underpants Sep 2012 #107

Speculation on my part: did this sort of situation help along the torture? JHB Sep 2012 #110

You are exactly right. CTC head Cofer Black (later at Blackwater) set up and ran the torture and leveymg Sep 2012 #112

I think this was proactive CYA underpants Sep 2012 #210

Now if they would only admit it was Bush/Cheney behind the Anthrax attacks. n/t Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #116

They had to retrieve something from the mail... hunter Sep 2012 #165

I assume this is why there had to be story about Obama not attending briefings much of Blue Meany Sep 2012 #117

Exactly, the false equivalence meme CNN loves. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #170

when you refuse to believe experts that isn't "negligence" KurtNYC Sep 2012 #118

Sept. 11, 2001 brought to us all by the US Supreme Court Botany Sep 2012 #119

Treason, murder, deriliction of duty Doctor_J Sep 2012 #120

Pentagon pushed back, huh? Octafish Sep 2012 #123

Some of the "uniforms" on the JCS staff did. Mr. Licky Comb is a Bush political appointee, leveymg Sep 2012 #127

These guys should be in jail Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #234

BTW, History can also thank John Kerry. He kept taking GHWBush to court to get PDBs released blm Sep 2012 #124

Google Marvin Bush panader0 Sep 2012 #125

You can thank PNAC for this. Crowman1979 Sep 2012 #133

So DUer "truthers" are no longer being smeared as "conspiracy theorists" consigned to the dungeon? riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #136

Bush responsible clangsnwhoops Sep 2012 #141

Want to really blow your mind? Rider3 Sep 2012 #143

the opening chapter of that book is as compelling a passage Gabi Hayes Sep 2012 #180

i believe President Gore would have stopped the attacks before they occured samsingh Sep 2012 #144

It wasn't negligence. Everything went as planned. nt valerief Sep 2012 #151

This story was buried, and didn't show up on today's NY Times homepage. JPZenger Sep 2012 #152

So this won't get locked as promoting CTs? EOTE Sep 2012 #153

I agree that DU's censorship policy is whack. StrictlyRockers Sep 2012 #160

Why didn't the Congressional "investigation" pursue the questions more fully? link: patrice Sep 2012 #156

So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter?? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #157

How many times are you going to post this? EOTE Sep 2012 #161

Thought about this last night before reading the article. There was NO way that this was a surprise. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #163

After getting a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S."... Blue Owl Sep 2012 #173

read Paul Thompson's 9/11 timeline Slit Skirt Sep 2012 #175

Well there goes the Election DearAbby Sep 2012 #183

Could they have ignored it ON PURPOSE because Neocons WANTED an attack to occur? Kablooie Sep 2012 #188

Too Many Take The Official Narrative As Total Truth colsohlibgal Sep 2012 #189

pretty sure Big Dawg NMlib Sep 2012 #192

What's troubling. . . matt819 Sep 2012 #195

Yeah, "negligence". The Doctor. Sep 2012 #197

I Can't Believe Mapletonian Sep 2012 #202

Old News that regretably misses the mark. Bush, Condi, et al were warned in specific terms Ford_Prefect Sep 2012 #204

good! lets crucify BUSH! not being prepared is not an EXCUSE! grok Sep 2012 #205

Oh, brother. Yeah, there's an equation for ya. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #215

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2012 #206

Even if you dismiss "conspiracy theories", Bush REALLY WANTED 9/11 to happen NAO Sep 2012 #208

It was convenient Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #227

What happened to the goat? WinkyDink Sep 2012 #214

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Sep 2012 #219

Bush and Romney Security Advisers GOPGoindown Sep 2012 #220

LOL! Warned????? Vinnie From Indy Sep 2012 #222

Worse President AND Administration in the History of this country benld74 Sep 2012 #224

+1 sakabatou Sep 2012 #233

I'm just glad this discussion isn't being moved to the gawdammed dungeon 7wo7rees Sep 2012 #230

George tenet knows more than he is letting on Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #236

I'm shocked. SHOCKED! (How many people suggesting this for a decade were accused of "tin-foil"?) WinkyDink Sep 2012 #235

This wasnt negligence, gael Sep 2012 #243

The author of this piece in the NYT was on Anderson Cooper tonight!!! Major Hogwash Sep 2012 #244

I watched. He was very very good and reduced Fleischer to a bumbling idiot. n/t lamp_shade Sep 2012 #261

He Knew. Never Forget. blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #262

As they say in Texas....... Gabby Hayes Sep 2012 #263

LIHOP! MoonRiver Sep 2012 #271

Is it NEGLIGENCE when you say: 'All right. You've covered your ass, now."? Octafish Sep 2012 #282

Condi Rice will not have her integrity impugned with the facts. Supersedeas Sep 2012 #285