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132. Assuming you are correct, would it be fair to conclude that those who voted for junior's

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Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:31 PM

Sep 2012

re-election and those who now support RMoney and Rayn are o.k. with that failure?

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So Bush ignored the message "Bin Laden determined to attack", Does it really matter?? [View all] RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 OP

It matters to me. The Link Sep 2012 #1

okay I know he's a moron and it 'matters' RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #9

. Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #2

what would Bush have done? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #7

He might have acted before the hijacking to increase security for starters. Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #29

But, but, but he was on vacation clearing brush from the pig farm. Everybody knows when you're on Booster Sep 2012 #37

ALL GOOD POINTS! RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #45

In other words - he should have instituted the TSA measures everyone hates? jberryhill Sep 2012 #47

One of the terrorists in Boston was actually detained for a while, because a screener pnwmom Sep 2012 #62

What would the words "high alert" done? jberryhill Sep 2012 #66

If the words led to more cautious behavior on the part of the screeners pnwmom Sep 2012 #137

Detain him for what? jberryhill Sep 2012 #139

I don't remember the details, but there was something that caused him to be pnwmom Sep 2012 #145

The general sentiment on DU jberryhill Sep 2012 #147

That doesn't mean that heightened measures during a period of time pnwmom Sep 2012 #150

Exactly. Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #69

The President of the US is the top of the military chain of command. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #3

there was already a plan in place RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #5

That's just a stupid statement. Sorry, I can't pull punches. Commander of the military. Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #20

Can someone in the military please respond to this? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #28

What does the term "Com-Man-Der In Chief" MEAN, then? HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #55

Which part of STANDARD PROCEDURE for hijackings do people not understand RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #58

like hell they do Corgigal Sep 2012 #95

it was a hijacking before it hit the towers, why wasn't NORAD sent to intercept? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #99

read the damn link Corgigal Sep 2012 #123

On the day itself, they couldn't have known it was not more than a hijacking treestar Sep 2012 #108

and its called a intercept Corgigal Sep 2012 #124

'free pass'? What I am accusing him of is far worse. RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #68

The entire upper echelon of the Bush administration should be in the Hague. HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #88

yes, instead they are writing books and doing the corporate media talk shows RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #94

What is the president is somehow unable to be contacted RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #30

He's suppose to act before the hijacking. Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #51

Did the military wait for the President's order to intercept Payne Stewart's plane? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #56

What the fuck are you talking about? Ganja Ninja Sep 2012 #65

Did you read my post? I explained it.... RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #70

thank you cindyperry2010 Sep 2012 #32

And some charitably attribute all this to incompetence indepat Sep 2012 #60

yes, the incompetence excuse is protecting the Bush Administration RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #79

Your logic is flawed ProSense Sep 2012 #81

If you think I am defending Bush, your reading comprehension is flawed. RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #87

You know what ProSense Sep 2012 #98

suggesting NORAD would have responded to this emergency if the Bushco had not interfered RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #101

Well, ProSense Sep 2012 #109

Assuming you are correct, would it be fair to conclude that those who voted for junior's indepat Sep 2012 #132

If we can confirm how those procedures were countermanded, we have the key to LIHOP TrogL Sep 2012 #4

yes RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #11

You got it - TBF Sep 2012 #71

from the same bullshit corporate media that lied to our faces to start a war in Iraq RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #77

I do think most people are generally good TBF Sep 2012 #80

What we know now about the corporate media- they lie about anything and everything! RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #86

Well they believe everything else so I don't TBF Sep 2012 #92

yes, they are so arrogant they put their PNAC plans on the web for all to see RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #96

Ask the ones who died. That should give you an answer. n/t Autumn Sep 2012 #6

It was not required that Bush know or do anything on 9/11 RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #10

Funny, I had always been told that the President IS the Commander in Chief of the military. Autumn Sep 2012 #44

It was more than his fault, THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #52

He shouldn't have been President NJRick1006 Sep 2012 #8

Al Gore could have even ignored the warnings and did nothing RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #13

By your logic.... CherokeeDem Sep 2012 #12

he could have told them to be on 'high alert' or whatever RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #16

A question you should ask the Bush Administration. nt CherokeeDem Sep 2012 #72

While I don't think that Bush is insignificant, I have for some time thought that your main point is patrice Sep 2012 #14

Oh my God THANK YOU! RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #18

Sorry I can't remember the titles of the books I read about this several years ago, but patrice Sep 2012 #26

I did read it -- but it was kind of confusing, so I understand why others were confused. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #115

They were going to, but Cheney, who was in command RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #73

I read once that the changes in the chain-of-command turned out to be circular, resulting only patrice Sep 2012 #116

a.k.a. Plausible Deniability, a highly MARKETABLE commodity, especialy when DISTRIBUTED amongst patrice Sep 2012 #118

Bush didn't have to do anything??? Submariner Sep 2012 #15

Well, that's the point - did someone deliberately tell djean111 Sep 2012 #22

"This whole 'Bush didn't do anything' is a distraction. Bush didn't have to do anything." ProSense Sep 2012 #17

Just like Katrina, someone was actively interfering with the natural response to the crisis RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #21

Ah, a Bush apologist! ProSense Sep 2012 #24

How am I apologizing for Bush RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #31

Oh, I don't know ProSense Sep 2012 #40

The president's Oath of Office is to UPHOLD the CONSTITUTION, not command the military RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #64

Actually.... CherokeeDem Sep 2012 #75

please read up on FAA NORAD standard procedures when plane veers off course, shuts of transponder RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #103

Did the Congressional "investigation" ask questions directed toward patrice Sep 2012 #19

yes RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #23

Hey Congress, would it be interesting to know when procedures established that RADAR orientation? nt patrice Sep 2012 #39

Rummy ordered the rules of engagement changed on June 1, 2001: CJCSI 3610.01A leveymg Sep 2012 #25

+1google patrice Sep 2012 #43

With whom did Rummy "collaborate" on this change in procedures? nt patrice Sep 2012 #46

It was issued through the JCS. Good question. The story I recall was the change leveymg Sep 2012 #59

Thank you! RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #67

Here's the problem ProSense Sep 2012 #93

By the time that Cheney is alleged to have said that, it was perfectly clear that an attack was in leveymg Sep 2012 #106

Failure: "By the time that Cheney is alleged to have said that..." ProSense Sep 2012 #111

What kind of a failure is it when, as Dubya phrased it, they "hit a trifecta"? leveymg Sep 2012 #119

That's the kind of failure that speaks to evil, but ProSense Sep 2012 #131

The legal term is, "with reckless and wanton disregard and depraved indifference to human life" leveymg Sep 2012 #134

Uhm.... "the deliberate perpetration of a knowingly dangerous act" jberryhill Sep 2012 #141

Another such response is, "You covered your ass, now." leveymg Sep 2012 #144

Do you apply the same reasoning to Pearl Harbor? jberryhill Sep 2012 #146

I've read the major works that argue for foreknowledge, but find them unconvincing. Not so for 9/11 leveymg Sep 2012 #148

How about Bush paying attention?? KauaiK Sep 2012 #27

Rumsfeld was the one man on the planet that had no idea about the WTC until a plane hit the pentagon RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #35

If they paid more attention, maybe they could have put Norad & the FAA on high alert. jillan Sep 2012 #33

It matters when the lying fucknuts claim that the idiot in chief "kept us safe on his watch". Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #34

clearly! But what does it say when they actively prevented the emergency response? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #38

That is speculation. What is fact is that this happened on their watch. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #41

It matters if he didn't make the necessary people aware there might be an attack. Frustratedlady Sep 2012 #36

I'm not defending Bush, but he didn't need to do anything for them to act on Payne Stewart's plane RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #42

This makes no sense. ProSense Sep 2012 #50

I'm not defending Bush. I am suggesting this is more than incompetence. RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #74

No ProSense Sep 2012 #76

Yes It matters. aquart Sep 2012 #48

Dereliction of Duty ... Vox Moi Sep 2012 #49

if he 'ignored' it, you bet it matters. how many people died in his ginned up wars? spanone Sep 2012 #53

To me it shows how ideology ruled the party - and it still does... polichick Sep 2012 #54

Yes, he could have taken measures that changed the course of history. pnwmom Sep 2012 #57

I think the general idea is that taking the warning seriously might improve response cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #61

Clearly, he should have increased the intrusiveness of airport passenger inspections jberryhill Sep 2012 #63

+1, and overcommunication wouldv'e been better than non at all uponit7771 Sep 2012 #78

So, you would have accepted the TSA procedures, if instituted at that time? jberryhill Sep 2012 #114

That wasn't all that he could do. ProSense Sep 2012 #82

So then you favor the TSA procedures? jberryhill Sep 2012 #110

You're conflating action prior to the tragedy with those after. ProSense Sep 2012 #125

I understand that jberryhill Sep 2012 #127

Why? ProSense Sep 2012 #130

I am asking how he should have responded jberryhill Sep 2012 #133

Problem is... RobertEarl Sep 2012 #83

It says "determined to attack" jberryhill Sep 2012 #113

Check the DU archives of the time for your answer. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #84

This sounds like apologetics for a damn murdering torturing traitor regarding his Lint Head Sep 2012 #85

Did he lie about Iraq leading to the deaths of millions of innocent Iraqis? RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #90

There was a plan to invade Iraq long before he was installed by the United States Supreme Cowards. Lint Head Sep 2012 #107

Lied, outright IDemo Sep 2012 #112

Given the number of warnings, not warning, WARNINGS nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #89

Yes it does, because he needs to be sitting in a cell. n/t ismnotwasm Sep 2012 #91

It happened on Bush's watch! Let the GOPers weasel out of that true statement! MatthewStLouis Sep 2012 #97

Bush DID do something. Several bad things, actually. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #100

I wrote another post just to get the general feel of Duers.... RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #102

I'm getting the hell out of here. Son of Gob Sep 2012 #104

Good thought, after the 8/6 briefing, had he paid attention, treestar Sep 2012 #105

There were a total of 4 planes defending the entire northeastern US JPZenger Sep 2012 #117

What happened to that communication link? Would it have been updated if PDBs were taken patrice Sep 2012 #122

No, they were SENT out over the Atlantic to keep them away from the real action. RC Sep 2012 #138

Did Congress ever ask questions about the INSURANCE environment in which all of this went down? patrice Sep 2012 #120

Are you implying complicity or just the fact that they played dumb? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2012 #121

both RepublicansRZombies Sep 2012 #128

That's what I thought. I've always been more LIHOP than MIHOP. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2012 #136

Look up Coleen Rowley, The FBI was fully aware of the terrorist intentions just1voice Sep 2012 #126

It matters a great deal to me. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #129

Bull. SHIT. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #135

And don't forge the 2½ inch thick report that the out going Clinton Administration gave the RC Sep 2012 #142

It wasn't just one warning. It was a slew of them that were ignored. This is just coming out. Cleita Sep 2012 #140

I'm more concerned with the 5 people who recc'ed this than the bushsucking troll who posted it DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #143

I'm surprised they haven't blamed Obama for it DonRedwood Sep 2012 #149