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45. When our daughter was a little girl, she took karate after school. There was a little boy in there
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:48 PM
Sep 2012

who was a budding bully, doted on by his mom - one of those who never told him "no." He threw his weight around because his family was wealthy and was paying for him, his sister, the mom, and BOTH the two nannies to take karate class. And oddly enough, he took a liking to Elizabeth. And he was always messing with her and bothering her and trying to hit her and she didn't appreciate it. And he fancied himself the toughest in class - especially during sparring class. He was VERY aggressive, and had NO self-esteem issues whatsoever (except for maybe an obscene excess of self-esteem). At one particularly bothersome moment, my husband took her aside and told her that if the kid was really starting to push her or hit her or play especially rough in class, it was okay to hit him back, or hit him, period. Her face brightened and got this evil little impish grin all over it. You could see that she was taking this in deeply and processing it most carefully. It looked like she was feeling super-empowered by what her daddy had told her.

Eventually, the whole family dropped out of the karate school for various reasons and the little boy did not complete the black belt course that Elizabeth and the rest of her mates did. But it was really neat to see her get that sense of empowerment from her dad. That's my guy! So proud of her - and of him, too! That's when I started realizing that OUR daughter was never gonna be bullied. To this very day!

“Oh, that just means he likes you” [View all] phantom power Sep 2012 OP
K&R redqueen Sep 2012 #1
depends on the age qazplm Sep 2012 #2
I really agree with your comments about it going both ways but daybranch Sep 2012 #35
I also agree with your comment that it goes both ways defacto7 Sep 2012 #38
K&R nt abelenkpe Sep 2012 #3
If he likes you he can touch you and (mildly) hurt you with out your permission or any consequences. RadiationTherapy Sep 2012 #4
Nobody thinks that...at least I HOPE nobody thinks that. renie408 Sep 2012 #6
The OP is more about what we tell *girls*. redqueen Sep 2012 #8
A lot depends on modeling from parents. MineralMan Sep 2012 #23
exactly. the siblings always fighting meme doesnt fly with me either. seabeyond Sep 2012 #25
Yup. My parents simply did not allow MineralMan Sep 2012 #30
I fought with my brothers Tunkamerica Sep 2012 #62
i am sure the majority did fight. but, that would be an assumption. seabeyond Sep 2012 #67
So kids who hit other kids out of 'affection' redqueen Sep 2012 #27
No, not at all necessarily. However kids who did MineralMan Sep 2012 #32
My own experience disagrees. chknltl Sep 2012 #43
Yeah, I always thought that excuse was bizarre. I never laid a hand or teased another kid. Any kid, freshwest Sep 2012 #53
Yeah... renie408 Sep 2012 #5
If I had a son in 6th grade who bullied girl you wouldn't hear from me either Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #9
And yet, it's human nature, developmentally normal and accurate. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #7
so, not true. i had no issue what so ever, that my boys KNEW what was inappropriate behavior. seabeyond Sep 2012 #13
I don't know about that one. It may be some boys' response to it. MineralMan Sep 2012 #14
Human nature brought upon by evolution and selective breeding DaveJ Sep 2012 #16
ah geezus. that is so sad. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #20
Nice guys don't always finish last, by any means. MineralMan Sep 2012 #21
You're making an unwarranted jump in logic BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2012 #29
I'm going to reply via PM my personal experience in this regard. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #50
Just because something is pervasive, doesn't mean it's "normal". NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #31
Uh jp11 Sep 2012 #10
again it depends on the age qazplm Sep 2012 #34
Hey, people, let's not miss the point. Brickbat Sep 2012 #11
Agreed. jp11 Sep 2012 #17
"Normal" and "acceptable" aren't the same thing. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #24
It's a phase many boys don't go through at all. Brickbat Sep 2012 #33
Exactly. Well said. n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #51
I am going to punch you in the face but I hope you realize it is just my way of thanking you for th seabeyond Sep 2012 #12
What about telling kids not to be a "tattle-tale'? sammytko Sep 2012 #15
Yup. That's another bad idea. MineralMan Sep 2012 #19
Great discussion! SheilaT Sep 2012 #18
K&R Solly Mack Sep 2012 #22
The greatest gift my mom gave me JustAnotherGen Sep 2012 #26
DURec leftstreet Sep 2012 #28
"I am sure every BOY can recall at least one time....." ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #36
In first grade, a girl one day started chasing me around the MineralMan Sep 2012 #37
I can remember a female 5th grade classmate kicking me in the balls. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #47
my boys went thru the same. oldest more than youngest. i do not think the youngest seabeyond Sep 2012 #49
i thought that was one of the stupidest Warpy Sep 2012 #39
There is a period when many boys hate girls,... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #40
probably the same age as .... girls rule, boys drool. seabeyond Sep 2012 #41
A lot of comedy has come out of the "older brother dating" scenario.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #55
tickling and play kiri Sep 2012 #42
not buying almost all of what you are saying. and to excuse the bully at the young age seabeyond Sep 2012 #44
making small humans into humanists... kiri Sep 2012 #58
Kids need direction and instruction bhikkhu Sep 2012 #60
4 yr old is very much able to know mean/nice. they tend toward nice, empathetic naturally. amazing seabeyond Sep 2012 #68
When our daughter was a little girl, she took karate after school. There was a little boy in there calimary Sep 2012 #45
There's no reason to treat it any differently ... surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #46
My daughters are right in the middle of this, at 7 and 8. Jennicut Sep 2012 #48
We treated it more like a bullying issue in our house. TNLib Sep 2012 #52
I had never thought much about that one loyalsister Sep 2012 #54
Assault means Assault. Battery means Battery. No cute excuses, especially for youngsters. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #56
Cave men start out as cave boys. It's not cute. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #57
It depends on the age npk Sep 2012 #59
My best friend, who is the same sex and straight like me, I met by making fun of him in Tunkamerica Sep 2012 #61
Very proud to be rec #100! colorado_ufo Sep 2012 #63
I never had much of a problem with that as a kid because my response to the-- eridani Sep 2012 #64
Q&A With Today's Teabag GOP: blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #65
Brings back memories davidthegnome Sep 2012 #66
Its the parents of boys who need to think about talking to their sons about this. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #69
Make that story gender neutral - and it'd be 100% accurate. mwooldri Sep 2012 #70
girls definitely bully boys. we had some girls from the juvie home that rode my bus in 7th grade. Tunkamerica Sep 2012 #72
you are so right on -hard to get away from those old lines and thought lunasun Sep 2012 #71
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