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chknltl

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138. Evasive at best nonanswer.

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:25 PM

Sep 2012

But I shall answer yours directly, My use of 'their lands' refers to the Middle East. OBL, had as one of his points that we needed to lift the embargo on Iraq.

By no leap of the imagination he considered Iraq as important-important enough to be concerned for its welfare or 'our lands' in his mind. We salted DU on a part of the Middle East, in other words on 'their lands'. Hence my use.

Back to nightmares. The US government perpetrated a nightmare against a country in the Middle East, a nightmare far larger than what OBL perpetrated against us. We did this prior to 9/11.The brutal truth is that no Middle Eastern country perpetrated any attacks against us. What we did we did unprovoked.

After 9/11 we did so again, this time adding Afghanistan.

My point was and still is that our government has done worse to them, (the Middle East) than what some of their citizens did to us. We did this not once but three times, twice in Iraq and once in Afghanistan.

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I still put the primary blame on the degenerate individuals who flew those planes slackmaster Sep 2012 #3

.......... Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #23

Sorta like us an our 'bunker busters' annihilating entire cities of innocents overseas, yes? Myrina Sep 2012 #40

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I'm agreeing with you. RC Sep 2012 #165

Tell us..... pocoloco Sep 2012 #141

You can't possibly be serious, so I'll just leave it at that slackmaster Sep 2012 #162

Or the slaughter of over one million innocent Iraqis who had nothing to do with 9/11. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #101

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that happens when you kick a hornet's nest slackmaster Sep 2012 #112

Lol, you forgot your sarcasm tag I think. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #117

This has gone completely down the rabbit hole into tinfoil hat conspiracy land slackmaster Sep 2012 #119

Yeah, it's a good thing we stopped using those 60 years ago. progressoid Sep 2012 #124

I agree treestar Sep 2012 #45

I can't either. I felt the same way when I watched Bush's WMDs falling on sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #154

Even if we don't support the war in Iraq, at least it was a war treestar Sep 2012 #160

It was not a war, it was a brutal, barbaric invasion and that is how history will record it. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #164

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yeah, salting their land with a WMD chknltl Sep 2012 #110

When did the US attack SAUDI FUCKING ARABIA with DU? slackmaster Sep 2012 #114

Please show me where i said anyone attacked Saudi Arabia with anything. chknltl Sep 2012 #116

The 9/11 attackers were Saudis. What did you mean by "salting their land with a WMD?" slackmaster Sep 2012 #118

Evasive at best nonanswer. chknltl Sep 2012 #138

Ask the Kurds! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #145

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"Mission Accomplished" HopeHoops Sep 2012 #14

Thats speculation Hope. Not saying its impossible though because sure it could be that is cstanleytech Sep 2012 #17

Well, perhaps. But they needed a catalyst, planned on it all along, and knew it was coming. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #30

anything heaven05 Sep 2012 #57

Again thats all speculation though. cstanleytech Sep 2012 #65

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Nope, the real thing that aided Bush in getting approval for the invasion cstanleytech Sep 2012 #75

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Polly I am talking about all the stonewalling he (Saddam) did not what their reports were. cstanleytech Sep 2012 #81

My point was .. polly7 Sep 2012 #84

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You said it nicer than I was thinking it. nt. polly7 Sep 2012 #129

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there was a warning Carolina Sep 2012 #74

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could you retype the text but take the picture out? Whisp Sep 2012 #29

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Why? Webster Green Sep 2012 #38

why? just simply because some are asking. Whisp Sep 2012 #49

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Everything's Going According To Plan. blkmusclmachine Sep 2012 #152

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